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I'll have to check references, but I believe there were examples of bugatti type numbers that referred to engines, not chassis and drivetrain.
[edit] German
I had not heard of Bugatti referred to as a German company before. Molsheim was part of France during all years of production, and Ettore demonstrated his allegiances by twice escaping from the area ahead of German forces. Do you have a source for this German tie? --SFoskett 14:10, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
- If it's because of the country racing colours, they were not set in stone in the early days of motor racing. So it's quite possible to have french Bugattis running in white. At no time was Ettore Bugatti based in Germany. --Pc13 14:45, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I also read that Ettore sided with the allies in both wars. However, the facory was founded before WW I. Alsace was part of Germany from the Franco-Prussion War to World War I. So Bugattis were originally German and built by German workers. One can speculate that he might have chosen Germany because it was so technically advanced, though he must have greatly regretted it later. I gave the book back to my brother, but here is a link that says the Molsheim factory was founded in 1909. http://www.britannica.com/ebc/article?tocId=9358237&query=arco%20branquial&ct= "Molsheim" even sounds German, as Alsace is a natively German speaking area. Maybe, besides nationalistic reasons to forget, there might not be any cars surviving from the German period. --David R. Ingham 22:04, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, there are surviving early cars. I found a reference on the official Bugatti site to the fact that the factory was considered to be in Germany in 1910. I didn't know this, but I feel that the matter is settled and that you are correct. --SFoskett 13:46, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
Buggati was a German brand and Mr. Ettore Bugatti had worked at Deutz in Cologne
It is funny, because I've heard people argue the cars are French, Italian, and German. Maybe Italian is the most fair considering the man was Italian and just happened to setup his manufacturing operation in Molsheim, whose ever flag it was under before and whoever it is under now, means little actually. Will the Germans lay claim to Bugatti because they simply ruled that town? Will the French lay claim to Bugatti because they ended up with the city after the War? I guess we'd have to ask Bugatti what he felt the "nationality" of his cars were, but somehow I think he'd care less than the French and Germans on here apparently do. :) 71.106.175.177 07:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
I REALLY, REALLY think it should say that bugatti is an Italian car manufacturer based in france.. Lets say Italy is conquered and ruled by france for 12 years, and after that italy wins its independence, but Milan for example is considered part of france now.. no matter what the map or french say, milan will still be an italian city, its people are italian, they will live like italians, act like italians, eat like italians and so on.. Bugatti is ITALIAN!
- If it was Italian they would have been red and not blue. it's like saying chevrolet is a french car. Gzuckier 15:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Milan is a part of france??? what are you saying????!
[edit] German first, then French, now later Italian, now French again
Bugatti was German at first, then in its days of glory in the Grand Prix races between the world wars, it was French, because Alsace where the factory was located was given over from Germany to France following the First World War. The marque did not survive the Second World War, but when it was revived decades later, the new plant was built in Italy. Therefor, now Bugatti is an Italian car. But when displaying lists of Grand Prix Motor Racing of the 1930s and 1920s, it ought to be represented by a French flag. John Anderson 21:34, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- the "new" plant in Italy was new 20 years ago. Nearly 10 years ago Bugatti was bought by Volkswagen (German), they built their new (and current) prodution plant in Molsheim (French). So whatever Bugatti is, it is not Italian (anymore).--84.170.236.219 23:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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- OK then, anyway, it was not Italian in the 1920's and 1930's. I thought they still operated the plant in Italy too, but obviously I was wrong. John Anderson 01:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Advanced materials in Bugatti
Due to some research after magnesium I found the following about Bugatti. Maybe it is interesting for this article? I didn't know where to insert this in this article, so I put it here, hoping someone else likes to insert it in an "advanced materials" section. Magnesium was used in vehicles since 1921. Often it was found as mass production magnesium parts in the engine part, but sometimes also elsewhere. "Even in the car body extruded u- and angle profiles were often used to build frames which were then covered with Mg sheets. Examples are German bus trailers and a prototype of Bugatti (Type 57C Atlantic) both build in 1928". (citation of Automotive Applications of Magnesium and its Alloys, by C. Blawert, N. Hort, K.U. Kainer, in Trans. Indian Inst. Met., vol 57, no. 4, august 2004, pp. 397-408. Since using magnesium for car body applications receives nowadays a lot of interest, among others due to CAFE-regulations, it might be interesting that Bugatti did something like it already in the late 20s. Bye, SietskeEN 10:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] = A fast marque?
Surely if anything they should be a marque associated with fast cars, unless we are trying to say the bugatti brand is in some way speedy? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.12.14.240 (talk) 09:38, August 20, 2007 (UTC)
[edit] = Project Lydia
Project Lydia was scrapped a long time ago and will not be produced. Can I delete this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.24.113.24 (talk) 01:37, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Failed... continued into 1960s
The intro doesn't make sense or is at least confusing. If the brand failed with the onset of WWII it can't have struggled into the 1960s. Can someone fix this? Prego. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:47, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Bad writing
This is the lede for your second paragraph:
"The original company is legendary for producing some of the most exclusive cars in the world as well as some of the fastest."
Exactly what is an exclusive car? Perhaps a car that only permits certain people to drive it. There are other problems with this sentence, but they are too convoluted to diagram here. I suggest a re-write like this: "The original Bugatti company was legendary for producing some of the most expensive and powerful cars in the world." You have researched the year the company was founded. Use it to better effect, like this: "From 1909 to 1963, the legendary Bugatti company produced some of the most expensive and powerful cars in the world."
Cars are not fast or slow. They can't move without human control. Races are fast. Timed performances are fast. But a racing car is described in terms of its engine power, and then indications can be given about its potential speed. Writing about how fast a car is makes this article read like it was written by a child.
The entire article needs re-written, but please consider starting here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.181.197.110 (talk) 15:50, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
- I think you make a good point. You're always welcome to fix writing that needs tweaking. I suspect exclusive also refers to a limited production of stylish cars. There are other companies that make expensive and powerful cars. Bugatti is known for its niche of exclusive cars, available only to those with the money and desire from something unusual. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
[edit] More Bad Writing
"Possibly the greatest achievement to be seen from Bugatti" WOOOOOOW A BLUE ONE! This needs to be removed or rewritten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.80.64.71 (talk) 22:26, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
[edit] merging proposal of Bugatti articles
Im not sure if its a good idea to merge these articles, because they have only a common name. We should check how other similar cases have been made here, any similar reborn car brands? --Typ932 T·C 07:16, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
