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[edit] Camp David

I would like to know when President Clinton ever blamed Arafat for ending the Camp David affairs. On the contrary, he merely claims that the US acted as Israel's lawyer during the accords. It is also known that the the accords ended when Sharon left the negotiating table and proceeded to march up the Haram al-Sharif/ Temple Mount with 40 settlers, thereby triggering the 2nd intifada. The 2 website sources provided (Palestine facts and the Jewish virtual library) are agenda driven websites that cannot be cited for factual information. And on what page does Clinton blame Arafat in his memoirs, I don't recall any statement to that effect in the book. If these facts are not properly cited from a credible news source, I propose to correct them, because they are clearly POV. 04:28, 16 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ClockSpire (talk • contribs)

[edit] Assault Rifle?

I would just like to point out the fact that Francisco Martin Duran fired an SKS semi-automatic rifle at the White House. It's not a weapon capable of fully-automatic fire, and is therefore NOT an assault rifle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.61.176.16 (talk) 09:54, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] improvments

I have looked at the artical and i think thease should help:

• Gallery: Images do not make an artical better, plus it is just showing clinton in various ways

• Personal life: Make a personal life section.

• Lead: The Lead dose not normally have refrences

• Clean up: make a clean up or wait and i will make the clean up with a friend

• Electoral history: Dose not have anything on it exept the artical name, and it cannot be placed on the artical because it dosent flow very good.

• Peer reviw: Not saying it is nesasery but it could help knowing other editors opinions.

Well i think with this it could become a better artical. And if your planing to make Bill Clinton GA or FA, send me a messege and i well asist in the artical, I would seariously take some ideas from Obama and Reagen articals, as Ombama is a FA and a current President and Reagen is a FA and was a Former president. --Pedro J. ^{the rookie} 02:31, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

"Personal life" sections are a bad idea, because they lose the chronological connection between different events in the subject's life. This is especially important with Clinton, whose personal and professional lives intersected very dramatically several times. And the "Electoral history" summary section is common to many of our political articles – look at all the entries in Category:Electoral history of American politicians – and the subarticle is properly linked to from the main article. And to be honest, the idea of you doing a "cleanup" is a bit strange, when just your post here has many bad spelling and grammar mistakes. Wasted Time R (talk) 03:25, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I do see your point but going around many presidential articals and many have personal life, and if not a personal life a marrige and children section. Can we take the section Electoral history See also that way it is in the artical. And i see your point about my spelling, but mainly it is understandable it good to me and i check my spelling when i right an artical. --Pedro J. ^{the rookie} 13:45, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

If someone wants to see at a glance who his wife and children are, the infobox at the top has entries for both, that's why those entries are there. But the references to Hillary in the article – marriage, education reform in Arkansas, LSC chair, her own political prospects, 60 Minutes interview about state of marriage during 1992 campaign, conflict of interest at Rose Law Firm, failed health care reform, later legislative success of her initiatives, Whitewater, sexual misconduct allegations and Monica, Hillary running for Senate, Hillary running for president – all of these references have to stay where they are in the article, because they wouldn't make any sense or have the right context if they were pulled out into a separate section. In other words, Hillary's role in Bill's life has been very public and very much interwined with his political career; her role hasn't been just "personal". Wasted Time R (talk) 14:07, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay your right in the personal life, he has not have much personal life, but tell me what you think about my other suggestions. --Pedro J. ^{the rookie} 15:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Please read WP:ALSO for what goes into a "See also" section. Links that are already present in the article do not go in. Indeed, really good articles often have no "See also" section at all, because everything has already been worked into the article text. Also, please read MOS:HEAD regarding section headers: only the first word is normally capitalized. Thus, it is "See also", not "See Also". Wasted Time R (talk) 22:44, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay but the Electoral history dose not work in like a section, maybe we can put it in his political carrer and it is a probably a good idea to take out the See also section. Would it be a good idea to make his Foreign policy. --Pedro J. ^{the rookie} 23:07, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

A reference link that no longer works should be updated or removed: ^ "Obama asked, “Do you think Bill Clinton was our first black president?”". Fox News. Retrieved November 11, 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.202.147 (talk) 08:46, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] GA nomination

should we nominate the artical for GA. --Pedro J. ^{the rookie} 17:39, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

One glance at this and I can tell you it wouldn't pass. The references need to be put into a standardized format:

{{cite web|url=http://www.cocacola.com|title=Issue of the Day: This guy|publisher=company|accessdate=2009-09-21}}

which comes out like this:

"Issue of the Day: This guy". company. http://www.cocacola.com. Retrieved 2009-09-21. 

--Louiedog (talk) 22:15, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

No, the article isn't close to being GA. And to be honest your hacking away at the article isn't helping it improve. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:44, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Many Unconstructive Edits

I am rather concerned about the large number of unconstructive edits being made over the past several days by "Pedro thy master." In particular, there have been a number of edits that have removed single sentences, or parts of sentences, that have left the resultant paragraphs as confusing and incomplete. For example, in the section on President Clinton's health, the section now begins with what was previously the middle of the paragraph, explaining that it was determined that Bill Clinton did not suffer a coronary infarction, but not explaining what led to his being checked for that in the first place. There are tons of little edits like this that serve no purpose other than hacking up the article and that I think need to be reverted, but I do not have the time to go through and do them all one-by-one. What does everyone else think? I think these recent edits by Pedro thy master need to be reverted in total. Ithizar (talk) 04:59, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree that many of these edits are problematic. I think Pedro thy master is well-intentioned, but lacks the language and editorial skills and subject matter expertise to make large-scale changes to a major, high-profile article like this. Some of his more recent edits were in response to peer review comments at Wikipedia:Peer review/Bill Clinton/archive3. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] First person view

"Sometime in my sixteenth year I decided I wanted to be in public life as an elected official. I loved music and thought I could be very good, but I knew I would never be John Coltrane or Stan Getz. I was interested in medicine and thought I could be a fine doctor, but I knew I would never be Michael DeBakey. But I knew I could be great in public service.[15]" Should be third-person. --71.255.76.249 (talk) 16:59, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Why? It's a first-person quote.--Louiedog (talk) 18:08, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

There are no quotes where it is being used (see under "Early life and Career"). Therefore, it is not a first-person quote, and should have quotes around it to designate it as such if it is intended to be one. --72.68.196.235 (talk) 16:28, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I changed it to a Template:cquote so the fact that it is Clinton's own words will be more apparent. Tarc (talk) 16:36, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, the colon was supposed to denote that it was a quote. Obviously, it wasn't the most conspicuous to do it. Tarc's solution makes it clearer.--Louiedog (talk) 16:42, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Missing a mention of the northern ireland conflict

The section Bill_Clinton#Military_and_foreign_events is missing all mention of Clinton's role in resolving the Northern Ireland conflict (Chelsea wrote her term paper on it). Surely it deserves mention, especially because "gratitude" for his role in the conflict is mentioned later on in this article.--Louiedog (talk) 18:51, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Mistake in Sexual Misconduct section

I don't have a login so I can't fix this myself: in the Sexual Misconduct Claims part of the article there is a mention that Clinton had a sexual relationship from 1959 to 1992. As Clinton was 13 in 1959 the date is clearly wrong, and in the source (reference number 120) there is a statement by the woman that the relationship commenced in the mid-1970s. Can someone fix this please? 220.253.222.113 (talk) 00:13, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Post-presidency of Bill Clinton

This article is 128KB, which is more than a little on the long side. So I've copied the Post-Presidency section into Post-presidency of Bill Clinton. If you guys think it's OK, I'll summary-style that section. If not, propose deletion of the article --Purplebackpack89 (talk) 03:22, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the article is currently 55 kB (8857 words) readable prose size which is within the WP:SIZE guidelines of 60 kb and 10,000 words. That said, I'm sure a subarticle on Clinton's post-presidential career can be further expanded beyond what's in the main article now. However, I think a more standard title would be Post-presidential career of Bill Clinton. Wasted Time R (talk) 04:11, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "William Jefferson" vs. "Bill"

It seems to me that this article should be titled "William Jefferson Clinton" instead of "Bill Clinton". Yes, President Clinton is usually referred to as "Bill Clinton" in day-to-day parlance and his books have the author name "Bill Clinton." However, he is also often introduced at speaking events as "President William Jefferson Clinton" and that's the name under which he was sworn into as the president. It just seems more proper for a reference work to file President Clinton under his legal/official name instead of his nickname. What do people think?

We refer to subjects by their common names. Best, faithless (^speak) 08:42, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

See also: Jimmy Carter, Jon Stewart, Ray Charles, and Lady Gaga.--Louiedog (talk) 15:41, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Governor of Arkansas section

Why was the following item deleted, as it was well cited and explains the antipathy of Carter towards Clinton?

Clinton believed that Jimmy Carter cost him the gubernatorial election in 1980 and that “the peanut farmer was unfit for high office.“^[1] tuco_bad 23:32, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

The subject is certainly pertinent to the article, and you gave a detailed citation from a respected historian, but I think that your phrasing was faulty. You first wrote unfit for high office without quotes, then you put the words in quotes without making clear the source (I assume that the words were Clinton's). I would suggest something similar to:

Clinton blamed his defeat on Ronald Reagan's landslide, and on Jimmy Carter, whom Clinton described as "unfit for high office."

Plazak (talk) 00:23, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - I will rephrase Clinton's description of Carter. tuco_bad 02:29, 19 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cgersten (talk • contribs)

You are correct, Clinton blamed his defeat on Actor Ronald Reagan landslide victory of Carter. Northwestern guy (talk) 00:31, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually Clinton blamed his defeat on a variety of factors: the unpopular car tax, the Cuban issue thrust upon him by Carter's circumstances, and a long list of things that essentially amounted to the perception that he wasn't listening to the people that elected him.[My Life: pgs 280-287]--Louiedog (talk) 02:17, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

I'd focus more on why Clinton actually did lose, not why he thought he lost. Politicians, like boxers and chess players, are notorious for concocting explanations for losses that involve something other than their own shortcomings. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:29, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the whole sound bite about Carter isn't fit for office has little bearing on Clinton's loss and just seems like petty gossip. And nowhere in the book does Clinton blame his loss on Carter's loss. And as Wasted Time R points out, a politician commenting on loss is a rather unreliable narrator.--Louiedog (talk) 22:01, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Please read: Brinkley, Douglas The Unfinished Presidency: Jimmy Carter’s Journey Beyond the White House p.355. Clinton is quoted as blaming Carter for his loss. tuco_bad 23:28, 19 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cgersten (talk • contribs)