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[edit] Pickup basketball: what is it?

Can someone pls include a definition of this? It was mentioned recently by someone at the Correspondents Dinner for Pres Barack Obama and people in the ROW (rest of world!) don't know what it is - tho we might guess. A quick search on the net reveals little. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zenji (talk • contribs) 18:48, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Pickup basketball refers to informal, unorganized games on a playground or in a gym, as opposed to official league games. In the future, please add new sections to the bottom of a talk page. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Pick-up Basketball is also where you can play with a select team or select basketball club and instead of being a part of that club you can play pick up (play a tournament or game with them) Before you make the decision to pay to play with them. I did it before i played for my team too.'PEACE <3 BASKETBALL

[edit] Association Football?

I can't believe this sentence exists: "Basketball was originally played with an association football." Why won't "soccer ball" suffice? People in the US aren't the only ones who call 'association football' soccer. At least one commentator uses it on Premier League telecasts. This seems like silly hair splitting. As a matter of fact, calling the Game Known as Football/Soccer 'association football' might be MORE confusing to many readers, even those from the UK, NZ, etc. Best of all is that the article has been locked. Great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.254.162.184 (talk) 02:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

"association football" changed to "soccer ball". I agree and would further argue that, above all, using the term to describe the actual ball (as opposed to the game) is confusing.

The article is semi-protected because it has a long history of vandalism. It is actually vandalism that in the past has put off a lot of regular editors from maintaining this page; unfortunately it means that new users can't make edits. Thanks for your suggestion—I hope you'll join Wikipedia. Neonumbers (talk) 09:39, 15 November 2008 (UTC) Pick-up Basketball is also where you can play with a select team or select basketball club and instead of being a part of that club you can play pick up (play a tournament or game with them) Before you make the decision to pay to play with them. PEACE <3 BASKETBALL

[edit] Discrepancy about the inspiration in English and French articles

The English article states that Naismith was inspired by the medieval game Duck on a Rock. However, the French article speaks of Naismith being inspired by "an old Maya ballgame", the Mesoamerican ballgame. Is any of them unfounded? Are they both only theories? The Duck on a Rock article already presents it as an hypothesis. If so, it should be mentioned, explained. --Liberlogos 07:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, the Duck on a Rock statement from this article is referenced, and the one on the French article isn't...

That said, the Duck-on-a-Rock thing is a rather recent thing and whether it has backing by most historians is probably another story... It is, however, founded on his "handwritten diaries". The French article doesn't seem to mention a similar sort of backing (then again, my French isn't that great).

This article (as far as I'm aware) isn't really watched by anyone who knows what they're talking about (I don't really know what I'm talking about), but you can visit the page listed in note 1 if you want to see where we got the Duck on a Rock thing. Neonumbers 09:49, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

About the Myan Game, I have a book that mentions the possibility of it being the origins or something. Ill see if I can find out more

Robotboy2008 07:56, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I just found it Ziggy's Olympic Book Ball Games Page 11 ISBN 1-86007-155-4

Robotboy2008 08:05, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] When the name "Basket Ball" was suggested

In the section "History", paragraph three, it is stated when the first official basketball game was played. Then this statement follows: "'Basket ball', the name suggested by one of Naismith's students, was popular from the beginning." Was the name indeed suggested around the time of the first official game? If not, should this statement possibly be moved to an earlier paragraph? There could be some confusion as to when the name "basket ball" was suggested. Just a thought. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.46.150.109 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 7 February 2007 (UTC). kristina lacree

I question whether this paragraph should be used at all. It seems to hold a discrepancy between how the name was determined: by Naismith himself or by a student's suggestion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.249.144.18 (talk) 20:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Noted and the second sentence (the one quoted by 68.46.150.109), which contradicts the first sentence in the paragraph before it (which is referenced), removed. Neonumbers (talk) 09:45, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Naismith was Canadian born, not Canadian; plus, this is only relevant in the scope of the Duck game

http://www.hoophall.com/halloffamers/Naismith.htm

Though he was born in Canada and adapted rules from a Canadian childhood game, James Naismith was an American and stayed in the US -- getting a medical degree in THE US, working in THE US, and serving in the US MILITARY. Therefore, he was not a 'Canadian physician from McGill' for two reasons: number one, that is irrelevant, if true. Number two, he wasn't a physician, he got his medical degree in the US many years later. All of his jobs listed were held in the US. The only reference to McGill that makes sense is the Doctorate degree from McGill. HOWEVER, Google shows that it was an HONORARY doctorate, which means that the only Canadian reference after he moved to Springfield, MA, is an honorary degree, which means even that wasn't completed in Canada (it's an honorary degree, there are no classes to attend.)

To recap: Any information about where he went to college should be in his own page, not basketball's. And, he was not a Canadian physician. He just had a four year degree at the time he moved to the US, so how could he be a physician. He went to medical school in the US many years later, living all over the US, as well as served in the Kansas (US) state military. Therefore, he's not a Canadian Physician from McGill but a Canadian-born college graduate from McGill, which has nothing to do with Basketball, so I omitted it from the Basketball page.

I moved the new discovery reported in ESPN to the next page, and mentioned that he was born in Canada, in that same paragraph, for comprehension. The way it was right now, saying Naismith was a Canadian Physician from McGill who happened to be working at the YMCA is incorrect. It's actually more correct to say he was an American Physician from Colorado, US who invented Basketball, because that's where he went to medical school and he was an American, but Canadian born. But even that is not accurate (nor relevant) because he wasn't actually a physician at the time, NOR is what he is known for. So even if you mention the exact school he went to, that is irrelevant because he is not KNOWN for being a physician, nor was he a physician when he invented it (it was many years later.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Volleyball123 (talk • contribs) 04:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Naismith's mother and her parents came to Canada from Scotland and Australia in 1852, and his father arrived (also from Scotland) in 1853. Naismith was born in Canada, which would make him Canadian. He did not become a naturalized American citizen until 1925, in order to fulfil a requirement of his military service. That event occurred 34 years after he invented basketball. You cannot retroactively declare him to be an American in 1891, plus you haven't indicated whether or not he retained dual citizenship after 1925. In short, before making what is a fairly significant change to commonly understood details about his life, you should probably discuss them here first and get some feedback. --Ckatz^chat_spy 05:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC) (info sourced from the Naismith Museum)

Volleyball123 14:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)I was not arguing that he is not Canadian or from McGill. The point is that the mcGill reference is still unnecessary and irrelevant (nothing to do or relating to basketball of physical education.) It is also not true that he was a Canadian physician. If you move to the US and invent basketball at 30, are you automatically a Canadian physician from McGill? No--he was not a physician. The way the article reads right now, Naismith was a doctor from Canada who received a medical degree from McGill who then invented Basketball while in the US. That is not correct. If you get a medical degree from UConn but you went to Harvard for undergraduate, it is misleading to say you are a physician from Harvard (plus unnecessary to mention the college name except for those alumni from that college.) The only college on that page that should even be mentioned is Springfield College. Next year, his high school will want representation at the top of the basketball page, too. Why Springfield College? Because that is where it was invented. What was? Basketball. It's a page about basketball, not James life history. Plus he got a degree from four places, not just McGill. To repeat, there is no way "a Canadian physician from McGill" is accurate or necessary to the Basketball article.

A lot of Canadians think the sport was invented IN Canada. Literally. Saying Canadian-born would clarify to everybody that he was born in Canada, but give hint that it was only as a child. He lived in the US almost his entire life, and that's where he invented basketball. I can't believe you can't see how the statement "a Canadian physician from McGill" is accurate or necessary to the Basketball article in any way. Plus, since he was an American SOLDIER (keyword American and keyword Soldier), it makes no sense to say Candian when you can say "Canadian-born" instead. It is more accurate.

Right now, the article has a heavy Canadian slant. And, the McGill reference has no reason to be there. Springfield College earned the right to be there. It's an article about Basketball. The way it is right now, anybody who glances at the Basketball page will think that Naismith was born in Canada, became a physician in Canada, and had nothing to do with the US except inventing it in Springfield. And, that the McGill reference is more important than the YMCA reference. This is an article about BASKETBALL. The first line is extremely unreadable.

Plus, not only was Springfield College the birthplace of basketball, but that's where Naismith got his physical education degree. He got a philosophy degree from McGill. Completely irrelevant to the basketball article! He also got a medical degree from Colorado, why not mention that? It would be more accurate to say he's a physician from University of Colorado than physician from McGill.

I'll leave the rest of your changes to see what others think. However, I have replaced the word "Canadian" as it accurately describes Mr. Naismith, and is supported by references throughout the article (including the one you used.) Further to this, I think it is stretching things to claim that the article has "a heavy Canadian slant" - either in the previous version or as it is now written. There are currently only six references to Canada, including a mention of the sport spreading throughout the U.S. and Canada; examples of players from nations other than the U.S.; and that the first NBA game was played in Toronto. --Ckatz^chat_spy 18:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Volleyball123 12:07, 20 February 2007 (UTC) It is much easier to read and understand the first sentence right now. The introductory sentence is no longer three lines long. And, it no longer states that Naismith was a physician or minister at the time, in "December of 1891." Nationality-wise, he's 100% scottish, though, as his parents were from Scotland and he was born 10 years after his parents moved to Canada, and after 30 years, he seems to have resided in the US for the rest of life. Should we say Scottish-Canadian ? There is a page on Wikipedia about scottish-canadians. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish-Canadian

Why is it such an issue to accept that someone born and raised in Canada is...Canadian? There is no need to qualify it. --Ckatz^chat_spy 17:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Traveling

Can't you only take two steps with the ball until the ball goes to the other team? It didn't mention it in the dribbling section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Magic System (talk • contribs) 01:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

It's the second sentence in the second paragraph under "Violations". Mishatx *разговор* 04:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanx Traveling is when you do take more than two steps after picking the ball up after dribbling the other team gets the ball out of bounds because of the penalty. PEACE <3 BASKETBALL

[edit] Double Dribble

Does anyone know if they consider double dribbles in the NBA?

Yes. --Howard the Duck 09:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

thanx Magic System 15:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, they do consider double dribbling in the NBA. It is one of the primary rules of the game of basketball. If a player is dribbling and happens to pick up the ball with both hands and then continue to dribble, the call is double dribbling. Also in some cases, if a player shoots an airball and catches it themselves, that can also be called double dribbling. I don't think that the rule should be different from unprofessional to professional basketball players. Of course, professional players are compensated for their work, but the basis rules of the game should remain for everyone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.210.86.136 (talk) 20:52, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fouling

Can someone please tell me what the fouls are in basketball more detailly? I don't really get it from reading the article lol. SSBM Pro 03:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC) SteveNash11

The fouls section is quite detailed and contains a link to personal foul. It looks fine to me. —LOL 04:05, 9 May 2007 (UTC) Double drible- dribbling with two hands, picking up the ball then dribbling again Travling-picking up the ball and running Thoses are just two of the fouls 205.206.27.233 (talk) 15:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)breana

[edit] Role in African American culture?

The article doesn't say anything about the specific popularity of basketball in African American culture. Maybe it's a myth, but I thought basketball tended to be favored over other sports in African American communities, and that the proportion of black players at college and professional levels is higher than in the general US population. Can anyone affirm this and write a paragraph on the subject? Mtford 03:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree with Mtford above... there (seriously) is no question that basketball is highly favored by African-Americans due to the influence in popular culture and television. While early on and in other foreign countries this isn't the case, this is definitely the case in America. Very few white players are on the teams (or I COULD be wrong if anybody can provide factual statistics). Anyways, back to the point, I definitely think there should be a category on African American roles in basketball Jerre 01:37, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Would this topic be better listed under a popularity section? Baseball has a section that touches on ethnic popularity. Should basketball also have one? Should the article mention how Bill Russell was a black player-coach? Or other instances of racial tolerance in the sport? As for the popularity of basketball in the African-American culture look at where a lot of the players come from. Inner cities with low budgets don't have the overhead to promote, for example, ice hockey. Baseball, football, basketball and track sports have low overhead. Personally I think the article could suffer if we attempted to include the viewpoint of race. This path of logic leads us to racial profiling. Nohbohdhy (talk) 18:35, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] When?

Naismith's handwritten diaries, discovered by his granddaughter in Spring 2006

The above excerpt violates the chronological guidelines for seasonal references in the Wikipedia Manual of Style (MOS). Please correct this with neutral wordings. Some examples of more suitable wordings may be found in the MOS. -- B.D.Mills (T, C) 04:02, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

—Done. The "Spring" (which should have been "spring" anyway), according to the article cited by this one in reference no. 4, (presumably) refers to the spring of the Northern hemisphere, which I have written as "early 2006". (I live in the Southern hemisphere, and our autumn is March to May, so correct me if I'm wrong.) Neonumbers 09:35, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Draw

Oddly enough I can't find any reference that a game can't end in a draw, neither here nor at the rules' article. Have I missed it or is it missing? - Nabla 19:33, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

A game only ends in a draw if the game is an exhibition/friendly game. Otherwise, all games must determine a winner, no matter how long it takes. (see Overtime (sports)#Basketball for details. --Howard the Duck 03:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I knew that but thank you, anyway. The point was that it is odd that it is not mentioned in this article at all. - Nabla (talk) 02:26, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Games actually can end in a draw in another circumstance: a scorer's error that is only discovered after the end of the game. This actually has happened before including in a game between the University of Kentucky and Kentucky Wesleyan College. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.224.111.116 (talk) 20:28, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

A draw is also possible in a 2-legs series, where the winner is determined by the aggregate score of 2 matches. A single match may end in a draw, while extra time is played in case the aggregate score is level after regulation time of game #2. --Nitsansh (talk) 23:59, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Basketball Around the world

Basketball is very popular in many countries around the world. It would be good to add in some information in relation to the European competition and the Oceania competition www.nbl.com.au —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.4.207 (talk) 03:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Basketball parity worldwide

Someone's started an article at basketball parity worldwide as part of a school project. I suggest we merge it into this article. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Error that needs to be corrected

The part of the article that mentions the American Basketball Association still contains a tag that reads "American Basketball Association (1967-1976)", which was the result of vandalism by someone who converted a lot of ABA articles and links in an effort (it seems) to promote the current minor league ABA. This should be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.224.111.116 (talk) 20:31, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

This may be a minor grammatical thing to fix, but I can't do so beause of the semi-protection. The phrase in the second paragraph regarding scoring, "Points are scored by shooting the ball through the basket from above", needs to be fixed. Just delete the word "from" - otherwise it seems to say that the players are above the basket shooting down at it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.240.169 (talk) 13:47, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks. --NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 13:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Um, now it sounds like you can score by throwing the ball upwards through the hoop. How about "Points are scored by shooting the ball downward through the basket, either through a direct downward shot (such as the slam dunk or skyhook), or on the trailing end of a typical arcing shot." ? Jreacher (talk) 18:26, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Fouling Out

In the fouling section of the basketball article, how one can foul out in a game is ambiguously stated. According to the section, technical fouls are counted in the 5 or 6 foul criterion for fouling out. This may be true in international competition, but in the NBA, this is most definitely not true; only personal fouls are counted. The section must be updated immediately. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saadlink1 (talk • contribs) 09:36, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Charge

I would like to add some facts about charges. How defenders draw a charge. How players get called for offensive charges. The restricted zone that charges will be considered blocking fouls. And how defensive players get called for a blocking foul and not a charge. Please let me know what you think and where I could possible get professional information about charges. Thanks!--Soundwave21 (talk) 18:12, 17 June 2008 (UTC) Drawing Charges is pretty easy if you know what you are doing. Its where a player of the opposite team can be running through the lane out of control you can stand in front of them and draw the foul (make the opposing player get a foul and you team will also get the ball as a bonus) but you have to have both feet on the ground and get in front of the player to get the charge!!! pretty AWESOME too! PEACE <3 BASKETBALL

--70.137.176.221 (talk) 05:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Foreign leagues

I'm no fan of non-NBA basketball, but it seems a little NPOV to me that the NBA gets its own subsection while Euroleague, the Chinese Basketball Association, and other influential world leagues don't even get a mention in the "International basketball" section, especially considering the recent trend of established NBA players heading overseas. I see someone has mentioned this earlier too, but I still think it's worth bringing up again. Betterusername (talk) 05:39, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

The international section could be split into 2 sections equal to the NBA section, one section for basketball between national teams (FIBA, Olympics, etc) and one section for professional club basketball in countries other than the US. This is perhaps US-centric but I think warranted in this case due to the NBA's historical and continuing influence on the game. Simishag (talk) 05:54, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dimensions of basketball court

The dimensions listed are sloppy. Why not have more precise conversions between feet and meters? The international dimensions are 28m by 15m (91.9 ft by 49.2 ft). The NBA dimensions are 94 ft by 50 ft (28.7m by 15.2m) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gusmahler (talk • contribs) 23:53, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Our convention with unit conversions on Wikipedia is to "use a level of precision similar to that of the source value" (Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Unit_conversions). In this spirit, conversions to two significant figures are given, just to give readers a vague idea of length in units they're familiar with. To give more precise figures would be pointless—readers who want to know that the conversion's actually 91.863517060367454068241469816273 feet can figure it out themselves. Neonumbers (talk) 09:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Interwiki

Please change interwiki link for de: to the correct target article ([[de:Basketball]]). Currently it is linking to a wrong article (Fußballverein = soccer team). --85.177.141.125 (talk) 17:07, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Women's Basketball

Women’s basketball actually began less than a year after the game was invented. The only body parts we exposed to the public were fingers, necks and heads. Miniskirts were a thing of the future. Proper women wore floor-length dresses everywhere, including the basketball court. That led to a few proper broken bones and proper black eyes, because we had a tendency to trip over our hems. Senda Berenson, was the foremother of women's basketball. In 1971, women’s basketball was finally considered robust enough to play a full-court game, and in 1985, Senda Berenson became the first woman to make the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame.

http://www.wnba.com/about_us/jenkins_feature.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.33.235.246 (talk) 17:05, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ally-oop pass

I noticed that you did not make mention of the ally-oop pass, which is when a player throws towards the basket and is put in by a teammate. I think this needs to be mentioned in either the scoring or passing articles.71.246.159.147 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:42, 11 December 2008 (UTC).

[edit] Number of free throws when "in the penalty"

In the 4th paragraph of the Basketball#Fouls section it says "If a team exceeds a certain limit of team fouls in a given period (quarter or half) – four for NBA and international games – the opposing team is awarded one or two free throws on all subsequent fouls for that period, the number depending on the league." It's not clear how many free throws are for which league. However, in the second paragraph of Free_throw#When_free_throws_are_awarded, it says it's 2 free throws in both NBA and international. Enoksrd (talk) 07:23, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

In most instances it's two. If the shot went in when a player is fouled, there's only one FT. If the foul was in the act of shooting a three-point shot, it's three. –Howard the Duck 14:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Barbosa

Barbosa now plays for the Detroit Pistons —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.58.244 (talk) 23:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Adding influence of game on society and worldwide

I was reading the article, and it had nothing about the role it plays in society and worldwide. The game is globalizing, and i believe that that needs to be noted. Also i agree with what mtford stated previously about the role that basketball plays on African-Americans. And it doesn't need to be primarily about race and i acknowledge that. Well if i could get some feedback thanks. --Boogerface4 (talk) 17:18, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Headline text

I think that I agree. I think basketball is a huge part. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saryan1027 (talk • contribs) 01:26, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] ERROR In topic of bonus

The number of free throws awarded increases with the number of fouls committed. Initially, one shot is awarded, but after a certain number of additional fouls are committed the opposing team may receive (a) one shot with a chance for a second shot if the first shot is made, called shooting "one-and-one", or (b) two shots. If a team misses the first shot (or "front end") of a one-and-one situation, the opposing team may reclaim possession of the ball and continue play. If a team misses the first shot of a two-shot situation, the opposing team must wait for the completion of the second shot before attempting to reclaim possession of the ball and continuing play.

The bolded part is wrong someone who is logged in please fix this to say "makes". Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.149.88.147 (talk) 18:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

No, it's correct as written. When a team is shooting two free throws, no matter what happens on the first shot, the opposing team must wait for the completion of the second shot before they have a chance to reclaim possession, either by getting the rebound on a miss or an air ball, as a result of the made shot. Jreacher (talk) 17:40, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Basketball originated in the USA

Can someone please put basketball under a new category i made a new category- Sports originating in the United States and also if you know what sports originated from where put it under the categories i made.Youndbuckerz (talk) 00:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely. And while we're at it, put it under the category "Sports invented by Canadians". Because it's so important. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.147.12.135 (talk) 02:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Jumping shots: should be 'feet' instead of 'feel'

"Failure to release the ball before the feel return to the ground is considered a traveling violation." Feel should be feet, someone please fix.

Done. Kuru ^talk 12:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Should some of the articles in 'Variation' be merged with this? They seems like very short articles and not long or important enough to warrant articles of their own. Anyone agree? --Scythre^Talk_Contribs 06:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Can you fix this -- PJ's GAY????

That was a bit of vandalism, which an automated process, or "bot", has fixed already. Did you know that if you create an account, you will be able to edit semi-protected pages to remove vandalism yourself, in addition to many other benefits? Intelligentsium 23:19, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

i need to write a paper on basket ball and i need to know if i should use this artical{| class="wikitable" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.228.91.15 (talk) 23:49, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

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