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A fact from Ballad appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 11 April 2007. The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know

...that the modern meaning of "ballad", a slow, sentimental tune or love song, often written in a fairly standardized form, came about from Tin Pan Alley and Broadway composers?

[edit] Archived discussion

Some older or moot discussion from this page has been archived. Future archivers, please link the archive page in this section, and add a summary of the material you archived.the lead section, a possible link to a Smithsonian site, and specific ballads to mention or not...—Turangalila (talk) 12:37, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Worldwide view

The article does not reflect a worldwide (or "time-wide") view. The ballad originated in the article). They are usually considered identical to the Swedish medieval "folkvisor" as well (see the Swedish wiki article), which in later centuries came to parallel the "broadsheet" phenomenon described in this article. --[[User:194.145.161.227|2006 (UTC)

See also the Britannia Concise articles Ballad. This is one of the (I guess few) topics where Wikipedia still lags far behind. --194.145.161.227 20:43, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Modern usage (Ballad (music))

I don't think this article as it stands adequately addresses the use of the term ballad in contemporary musical contexts. The traditional sense of ballad persists among folk musicians, but in pop and especially jazz it has a totally different meaning: it denotes a love song, or a sentimental song in a personal tone, or a slow song in general. This is vaguely alluded to in the artlce at present but not defined in all its variety.

I've created a new article called Ballad (music) which endeavors to address this. I know the traditional definition usually means a song, and I'm not married to the name, but I think some clarification/elaboration was necessary, and I'm not even sure ballad should redirect here. I've added {{main}} tags for that & other things to this article for now.

The confusion is demonstrated, I think, by "What links here" and especially by the lists in the article under "Famous ballads", particularly "Modern". People seem totally unclear about the difference between "Traditional" and "Popular" definitions; the list as a whole is just a mess. What exactly does "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing" have in common with "Joe Hill"? How about "Stardust" and "American Pie"? What is "November Rain" doing on both lists? What are "On Top of Spaghetti" or "Space Oddity" doing there at all?! I think the relevant WikiProjects, or just interested editors, should try to address the whole issue. —Turangalila (talk) 18:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] poem ballads

A little more on poem type ballads may have been appriciated, as a lot is tied up in other sections, and the actually poem bit is only a few lines. Just a thought... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.67.55.204 (talk) 14:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] List

Why are there ballads in the list that have no article to go with them? Tythesly 21:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Since Wikipedia discourageds lists perhaps the list could be removed to another page or a link to the category English Ballads. --Sabrebd (talk) 11:53, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Rinaldo alleged to be the first ballad opera

Rinaldo is a normal Italian opera. It does *not* have "racy and often satirical spoken (English) dialogue, interspersed with songs that are deliberately kept very short", as the text defines ballad opera (correctly, AFAIAC).--91.148.159.4 (talk) 14:46, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Cannot find the source cited to check what it says but a quick search of sources suggest the confusion is that The Beggars Opera stole some of its music, but its not a ballad opera, but an Italianate one. Lets just delete it. If anyone ever finds different with a good source we can always put it back.--Sabrebd (talk) 16:09, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Merger

For discussion on the possibility of merger from Ballad (music) to here see Talk: Ballad (music)#Merger.--Sabrebd (talk) 14:02, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

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