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[edit] Population

Surely there must be a population on these islands worth mentioning? --rmhermen

- Yes, there is, I know plenty of them, I'll edit something about them, But they are normal Portuguese people, their most pecculiar difference is their french-like accent. --Pedro 23:56, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

Really? I never thought my family spoke Portuguese with a French like accent? Then again I never been to the mainland or know any mainlanders here in California. Could you provide audio samples? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.17.119.208 (talk) 08:57, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Note: there is mention in the article of the migration to Massachusetts ie. Fall River, New Bedford area. Certain families then sent male members ahead to California. These then sent for other family members who populated the Kings County area. This is a significant migration event producing renown in some industries of California, as well as the entertainment industry ie Steve Perry of the rock band Journey. Will other persons aware of this and the Hawaiian migration also please post what they know in this discussion. This is significant information about the effect the people of the Azores, apart from its Portuguese mainland relationship, has had on the world. It is particular for those persons genetically specific to this area as an autonomous area and genetic pool of related families. I have run into only a few Azorean cousins who did not know that we are all related, particularly in the California area of Kings County. It is critical to preserve the relationship of the Azoreans with the Californian Azoreans, as has been noted in Fall River. Please post if you have any further information: family names in California are primarily: Perriera (Perry), Serpa (after which there is a street name), and many more. Please post what you know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.52.210.14 (talk) 07:16, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Distance from North America

The article says, "...about 3,900 km (2,400 mi) from the east coast of North America." Additional, it is also stated that, "The two westernmost Azorean islands (Flores and Corvo) actually lie on the North American plate, about 1,925 km (1,200 mi) from St. John's in the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador.". These 2 distances would seem to be hard to reconcile within this article as there is 1,975 km difference. St. John's, NF is on the east coast of North America. Even if you took into account that St. John's was on an island and not the mainland, there is only 592 km between St. John's and Cape Breton Island and 903 km to Halifax, Nova Scotia on the mainland - both distances are considerably less than the 1,975 km difference.

Some clarification is needed. How are these 2 distances measured - from where to where? According to Google Earth, it is approximately 2,700 km from Flores to Halifax, NS and approximately 3,200 km from Sao Miguel to Halifax. Both of these distances are shorter than the stated 3,900 km to North America. Beowulf cam (talk) 19:38, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Atlantis

Is there remnants of Atlantis on this island? If so I think their should be a section for it is the last remaining piece of land from Atlantis.

That falls into legend or speculation. No place in WP. --maf 17:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Atlantis is still listed under "See Also". Should it be removed? I didn't see any mention of it in the text; the reason I went to the talk page was to see if there is an explanation. Perhaps there should be a sentence saying, "the Azores are believed to be the inspiration for the legend of Atlantis" (assuming that can be backed up with research) and then not have it in the "See Also".P.L.A.R. 01:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be removed. The link with the Azores and Atlantis is very weak. Not enough to list it anywhere on the Azores page. Atlantis is under Antartica!

I think we should add it because there is some people who actually believes it (IMHO makes somes sense, too). As long we state this is merely a supossition of inhabitants and others it shouldn't do any harm

[edit] Atlantis and the Azores

With the recent revelations revealing the existence of Super Volcanoes claims of Atlantis being EXACTLY where Plato placed it in his writings are NOT without merit.

As far as scientific literature that supports this claim of the Azores as remnants of Atlantis it behooves one to be careful of their claims to avoid having to eat their statements at a later date.

First, a reference to The Secret of Atlantis ^[1] and Plato's description of Atlantis is not at all out of order.

If one reads Muck's book, it is possible to correlate what he says to the known geological facts surrounding the supervolcano at Yellowstone National Park in Wyoming, USA. Of course, correlation does not necessarily prove causation, but it IS a step in constructing a reasonable argument.

The claim that a whole mountain range dropped into the caldera is made regarding Yellowstone and it is regarded as almost a geological fact. Reading Muck's version of the dropping of the island nation of Atlantis a mile or two to the floor of the Atlantic ocean in a 24 - 48 hour period as described by Plato is not unreasonable now in the slightest.

The claim by Plato that the area was not navigated for years because of thick pumice floating on the surface of the Atlantic fits geological expectations of such an underwater eruption of a supervolcano as described in recent geologic literature.

All of Dr. Muck's points in "The Secret of Atlantis" is consistent except for the asteroid strike. Much of the aftereffects of the eruption of a land-based super volcano need only be modified to describe what those effects might be if the volcano were under water or if the caldera dropped underwater after the eruption.

Perhaps the most convincing arguments, disregarding the patterns of riverbeds extending from the shores of the Azores under the water of the Atlantic for miles revealed by sonar soundings, is the shape of the Azores island group. One can almost make out the shape of the rim of a HUGE caldera looking at the placement of the Azores islands group.

So, the question is, did Dr. Muck and Plato have it right? Outside of the asteroid strike initiating the volcanic eruption that sank Atlantis could we be looking at the another factual folk legend like the battle of Troy?

Only time and dedicated research will tell. Remember, science starts with theories, and then evidence must be gathered to support those theories. For those haters of science and history extending humanity back more than the 6,000 years counted by biblical scholars is heresy. The eruption is said by Plato and Dr. Muck to have happened 10,000 - 13,000 years ago and it is said to have ended the last ice age and caused extinctions in animal species.

...and just HOW did those Wooley Mammoths come to be sort of "instantly" frozen in the tundra of Siberia with undigested food in their stomachs.

Perhaps the most significant contribution of the father-son Alverez science team was to shock the scientific world out of gradualism that was adopted by science to counteract the catastrophism implied by creationists and their early opposition to the science of Geology.

As philosophy moves from Modernism to Postmodernism our minds are being opened to all sorts of possibilities shattering dogmas created by science and religion alike. You know, dogma is no respecter of source. People who comfortably follow convention hardly ever make major breakthroughs in ANY discipline of study.

Science plods along and scientific knowledge grows slowly but it does grow. It overcomes opposition in the same manner that a gentle rain can over time wash a mountain into the ocean. Denying a reasonable theory because it has not yet been 'proven' to ones satisfaction amounts to censorship.

A more reasonable response than omission would be to try to prove it wrong.

Remember, if this indeed did happen EVERYTHING on that island was UTTERLY destroyed and the majority of the landmass dropped over two miles to the floor of the Atlantic ocean. It was a geologic event of such significance that the face of the Earth was changed, mass extinctions resulted and tsunamis of unbelievable height circled the globe. The world was not the same afterward. Any evidence was buried and burned.

However, perhaps the most brilliant mind of science failed to disprove Quantum Mechanics, and Albert Einstein by opposing Quantum Mechanics helped speed its development. RAYLEIGH22 (talk) 23:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by RAYLEIGH22 (talk • contribs) 22:50, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Naming conventions

I'm still trying to understand naming conventions: Why isn't this "Azore Islands," please? -- isis

In naming conventions, an important rule is to use the most common name. Determining this is usually easy: look at another encyclopedia, dictionary or map. Alternatively, one can enter the two terms in Google and see which pops up most frequently. In this case "Azores" gives me about 240,000 hits, "Azore Islands" only a few hundred. Jeronimo

Thanks. -- isis

I recommend http://www.googlebattle.com for that purpose. --maf 17:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

That because we in Portugal we say only "Açores", "Madeira" or somethings else, its easier. than saying "arquipélago dos Açores".... -Pedro 23:56, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Name Origin

I'm pretty sure that the portion suggesting that 'Açores' is derived from the plural of blue 'azul' (claimed to be 'azures') is completely false as the plural for blue in português is 'azuis'. If someone could back the 'azures' assertion up with some documentation that would be nice, otherwise I feel that it should be removed from the entry. Is 'azures' possibly an antiquated spelling from before the portuguese spelling conventions were redone?

The Azores are named after the Açor which is known as the Goshawk in English. The first explores of the islands mistook the local birds for the Goshawk. That is why there is a large bird on the flag. It is supposed to be the Goshawk or the Açor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.17.119.208 (talk) 09:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Islands/Archipelago

Why not change the part which reads "The Azores are a group of Portuguese islands" to "The Azores is a Portuguese Archipelago", adding a link to wikipedia's archipelago entry?

Hmmm? Because English speakers use the word "islands" more than archipelago. They say "Azores Islands", "Canary Islands", etc. We use more the word archipelago, but this is the English wikipedia. You can link archipelago with islands [[archipelago|islands]] . -Pedro 13:30, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

'Açor' is portuguese name for Accipiter gentilis, a falconlike bird who existed there when the first portuguese sailers arrived to the archipelagous. Barbeiro 18:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Highest Mountain?

"The mountain of Pico on Pico Island at 2,351 m in altitude, is the highest in all of Portugal. The Azores are actually the tops of the tallest mountains on the planet as measured from their base at the bottom of the ocean. The islands are an autonomous region of Portugal."

I thought this honor was held by Mauna Loa / Mauna Kea on Hawaii. from University of North Dakota: "Mauna Loa is the largest volcano on Earth with an estimated volume of 9,600 cubic miles (40,000 cubic kilometers)." - it's also taller at 4,170m. --198.3.8.1 16:17, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

The article says the mountains are the tallest when measured "from their base at the bottom of the ocean", not from sea level. Are the Maunas taller using this measurement method? --maf 17:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Azorean Talk

How about a section of the azorean "dialect". The portuguese variations that the azoreans have. - M.Cartello

it is not a "dialect" its just a accent. the accent is different in each of the nine islands, the one mainland portuguese usually associate with azoreans is just in sao miguel island, the other islands have accents similar to mainland portuguese. if a section about the azorean accents would to be created, then why isnt there any sections (in their related articles) about porto accent, alentejo accent, lisbon accent, madeira accent and algarve accent? - --Cyprus2k1 09:09, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Why not include it? There is no requirement that more developed articles include this first. I don't speak portuguese, but I think a Sao Miguel (where I've been) accent/dialect would be worth mentioning. ✏ Sverdrup 15:11, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

That's why i said "portuguese variation". Okay how about a section of Azorean Portuguese aka "O Micaelense". - M.Cartello

I'm a linguistics student, and a "variation" is a dialect. Also, Azorean Portuguese does has some different lexical items and even a few syntactic differences from the standard Portuguese dialect. Calling it a dialect is completely accurate.

Hi. Yesterday, a a TV show in a national youth cable channel an Azorean called in, and the presenter a Northern Portuguese couldnt understand the accent, and started laughing, cause he really couldnt understand almost nothing, because of the strong voice and french-like vowels. For southern Portuguese especially people from the Algarve it could be easier for them to understand, because the dialect is related. Most of the settlers where from the Algarve and surprise, the french like accent possibly comes from early French settlers. Though in the Portuguese mind, considering an accent has a dialect is already to much, even if many linguists consider a dialect and accent the same. But we can't consider the term that dialect has sometimes. Azorean is really just an odd accent, you just need to get use to it. There isnt any differenciation. IMO, this accent (from São Miguel island) is the most hard to understand from all the accents from every country that I know - at least for me. But, I have also difficulty in understanding a strong accent from Faial Island. From the rest, no, even if they all share many similarities. You should remember, there is nothing different in it, even if strong Azorean accent is not understood by some people, that doesnt mean nothing cause all the structure, lexicon, etc is the same. There are grammatical and use of different diphtongs ('ou' and 'oi'/ô) between Southern and Northern Portuguese (even if there is no difficulty in understanding), but with Azoreans I dont know any such differences. If they ease their pronunciation they would be perfectly understood - what is very common these days. Or, continental living in the Azores also have no difficulty. Though I would need Internet references to start writing (I dont know any even in Portuguese), cause these things move on with pride (I remember one with an ignorant in another article about another accent) and, for this one, I dont really have much backup. More, in any other regions even countries in wikipedia there arent references to accents. We should always remember, everyone has their own dialect, that share common features with your family, neighbours, etc. So I think that is nothing special to be mentioned, especially in a Enclyclopedia in English. In real life it is special, because it characterizes one. Yes, I'm going out with too many linguists and these are my two cents. -Pedro 01:12, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Map?

Can somebody add a map showing where the Azores are situated in the Atlantic? --Orang55 05:08, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Agreed, there must be added a bigger map. Suggestions? Shandris^the ^azylean 13:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] (pre?) history

Does anyone have anything to say about the islands before 1427? They didn't just spring out of the ocean at that point, I suspect.... -FZ 16:23, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Are you talking about the vulcanic origin or the artifact found in the islands? There is an interesting story about pottery in the Island, some centuries ago, and I think that pottery is lost, and some people think it is related to Atlantis (me, LOL). Hugs - Pedro 01:15, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yes. In fact, I was thinking the same. It is said (as I can't confirm this ;) that the islands were already shown in pre-1427 maps and it was Prince Henry that sent explores specifically to find out what these islands were. Can anyone add to this?

[edit] Azores: Europe, Africa, or North America?

Hi! Does anyone know if, geographically, the Azores are considered a part of Europe, Africa, both, neither ... ? I realise they are of Portugal, but its proximity to Africa makes its locale 'status' uncertain. Merci! E Pluribus Anthony 12:23, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Proximity to Africa? Are you talking about Azores or Madeira? Azores are part of Europe, except Flores and Corvo, which are part of the ~~American~~North American continent (being west of Atlantic Riff).Marco Neves 20:56, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

To clarify: I suppose I meant to ask which continent do Spanish and Portuguese territorial archipelagos in the North Atlantic (Azores, Madeira, Canary Islands) belong to? :) This has been answered to my satisfaction. Abraçao! E Pluribus Anthony 01:09, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Madeira and Azores are considered as part of Europe. There was an issue some time ago with Madeira (because it is closer to Africa), but it is also considered part of Europe. 1) an Island isnt part of any continent 2) culturally European 3) the Azores are not in a single plate and its closer continent is Europe, 2 islands are in the American plate (Fores, Corvo). 4) this is why I dont like those templates in the bottom of the articles, and I think they should be removed, they are full of nonsence. I don't know what continent belong the Canary islands, cause these islands are really close to Africa, but that doesnt occur with the Portuguese islands. -Pedro 12:34, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your response; I'm aware of the various arguments regarding continents and their constituents: my initial question was more borne out of a desire to properly colourise the various (namely, Portuguese) island groups for the various continents (in one possible interpretation of what 'continents' are). I disagree that templates are nonsense: they may help users (esp. novice ones) to navigate and learn more about a land. Actually, perhaps a template should be added regarding tectonic plates (but I'm not proposing this)? ;) E Pluribus Anthony 16:30, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

The islands were a part of Christopher Columbus's stops for re-stocking on the way to the west in search of India (so he thought), I read once upon a time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.53.24.3 (talk) 06:56, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Name

Why isn't this at Azores? Usually articles are located at their most common English name. For example, the article on Spain is located at Spain and not at España. NoIdeaNick 23:29, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree: was this move discussed? If not, it should be and, if necessary, reversed. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 23:33, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I moved the article back. If anyone has a problem with the current name, it can be discussed here. NoIdeaNick 23:36, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Great. If it matters any: there are 4.8 million online references to "Azores", while only one-third as many for "Açores". E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 23:38, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Translation of motto

I've just changed the translation of the motto from "peacefully subjugated" to "in peace subjugated". As it was, I interpreted it as "being put into subjugation in a peaceful manner". If I did it right, it should now mean "living subjugated under peace". I also researched subjugated vs. subdued in the Wiktionary, and subjugated seems better. If you disagree, please go ahead and discuss or, even better, edit. --maf 17:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Air Transat Incident

I'm not sure why this is there. Is it really important to add this? If so we would have to list all air incidents including a number of crashes. Should I go ahead & delete it? Minimia 00:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

NO! A sucessful deadstck (no power) landing from something like 120 km out is EXTREMLY unusual and should be left in as it might lead the interested to explore the details of the incident. You should look into it yourself as it contains some extremely dumb and some extremely astute piloting skills on the part of the cockpit crew. I found the official account of the incident as interesting as a good detective novel and I don't care that much for airplane stories.--TGC55 16:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I strongly disagree -- this is not of direct interest to the Azores itself, but rather concerns aviation, which is N O T the subject of the article. I am removing. 24.3.142.198 16:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Portuguese Regional Legislative elections

I note we have this article: Portuguese Regional Legislative election, 2000, and one for 1996; but not for 2004.

Why are none of them linked to from here? -- Mais oui! 04:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Geology?

This article could use some discussion of the physical process by which the islands are believed to have formed. —SlamDiego 21:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree. There is much excellent info in the following book: Scarth, Alwyn; Tanguy, Jean-Claude (2001). Volcanoes of Europe. Oxford University Press. pp. 243 pp. ISBN 0-19-521754-3.

I may update this article later when I have some time, along with the articles on many of the individual Azores islands. --Seattle Skier (talk) 04:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Azorean Immigrants

I don't know if this would belong in the article, but there are probably as many people from the Azores in the southern New England region of the U.S. as there are currently in the Azores today. There is a very high concentration of Azorean immigrants in Fall River and New Bedford, MA as well as East Providence, RI. It is extremely common to find Portuguese markets, and feasts, especially in Fall River. Davidsomerset007 (talk) 18:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)--Sbtagent (talk) 17:22, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I noticed when visiting the azores, there are regular flights to New Providence ( 2007)and when in Bermuda I noticed in a local post office, signs in protugese. They told me Portugese was an official language besides english in bermuda, and in a shop i sa a newspaper in Portugese languade. An old woman told me the azore people who came there a long time ago, worked in the plantages and as house-builders.--Sbtagent (talk) 17:22, 5 April 2009 (UTC)svein b t--Sbtagent (talk) 17:22, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Note: there is mention in the article of the migration to Massachusetts ie. Fall River, New Bedford area. Certain families then sent male members ahead to California. These then sent for other family members who populated the Kings County area. This is a significant migration event producing renown in some industries of California, as well as the entertainment industry ie Steve Perry of the rock band Journey. Will other persons aware of this and the Hawaiian migration also please post what they know in this discussion. This is significant information about the effect the people of the Azores, apart from its Portuguese mainland relationship, has had on the world. It is particular for those persons genetically specific to this area as an autonomous area and genetic pool of related families. I have run into only a few Azorean cousins who did not know that we are all related, particularly in the California area of Kings County. It is critical to preserve the relationship of the Azoreans with the Californian Azoreans, as has been noted in Fall River. Please post if you have any further information: family names in California are primarily: Perriera (Perry), Serpa (after which a street is named). Please post what you know. It is critical to preserve this and to have an adequate article section for this subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.52.210.14 (talk) 07:20, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Religion

There should be a section on the religious beliefs in the Azores. I don't have statistics, but there is obviously a high concentration of Roman Catholicism. (Look at the names of the feasts)Davidsomerset007 (talk) 18:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Eh! Eh! Well, my friend, one can say that, at least nominally, the Azores are 99% Roman Catholic. The Ogre (talk) 20:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Numerous Azoreans who migrated to Caifornia were Sephardim (Jewish). There is mention of this in the book Stories of the Azores Immigrants of California. One grandmother referred to in the story cited the tendency to hang crosses everywhere in the home out of fear for another significant persecution of the Jews. I will return with further citation and references from this book, as this discussion is in process. Antisemitic allusions do not belong in this discussion, be they to Catholics or Jews. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.52.210.18 (talk) 07:24, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Detailed Map, Anyone?

I can't believe that an article existing for so long hasn't yet been provided with a map where i can immediately identify each individual island. As it is, i have to click on individual articles to know which island is which. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.214.97.4 (talk) 23:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] EEZ Location

"The two westernmost Azorean islands (Flores and Corvo) actually lie on the North American plate and are only 1,925 km (1,200 mi) from St. John's in the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador." and "The westernmost point of this area is 3,380 km (2,100 mi) from the North American continent." seem to contradict each other. If the distance between the islands and Canada is accurate, it would put the EEZ well to the east of the Azores themselves (Unless Wikipedia has determined that Canada is not in fact part of North America.) E5z8652 (talk) 03:31, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merger proposal

The article Discovery of the Azores Islands I believe fits much better into this article. In addition, the article does not provide enough context nor does indicate that it can stand on its own as an article due to the lack of sources establishing notability. Discuss below whether this should be merged or not. MuZemike (talk) 18:50, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I changed the page into a redirect as all the information there was already present in this article. --Jhattara ^{(Talk · Contrib)} 07:57, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Salazar never was a Hitler's friend.

The article writes:"In 1943, during the Second World War, The Portuguese dictator, António de Oliveira Salazar, leased bases in the Azores to the British, despite his previous collaboration with Germany.[2] "

Please, António de Oliveira Salazar never was an eugenist, a racist or a Hitler's friend in any sense.He accepted comerce with Nazi Germany and this gave money to Portugal, but he never was a friend of Hitler.Salazar was ever against any kind of eugenics ; including the nazism.Agre22 (talk) 23:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)agre22

[edit] Internet

How well connected is the Azores to the internet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.130.22 (talk) 21:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] citizenship

How does one become a portugese resident and citizen? Does the autonomous status of the islands make any difference in settling there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.130.22 (talk) 21:46, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

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