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Time to move rover to the non existent category?

Contents 1 Merge from List of cars built in the UK 2 Component Manufacture 3 History 4 Number of makers in the 1920s 5 British cars 6 Renaming 7 Toyota in Deeside 8 Gilbern

[edit] Merge from List of cars built in the UK

I propose that we merge the unique content of List of cars built in the UK into this article. Does anyone have any strong opinions, or reasons not to? -- de Facto (talk). 10:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Agree, lists have a tendency to be unsightly and insofar as the data from List of cars built in the UK can be transposed into the table in British motor industry it should be done. As a resource the latter page is of more use to users Dick G 18:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've merged it - but there are a few bits left over which need to be checked before inserting! References would be nice to confirm them:

• Does Daimler Motor Company still exist in Coventry?
• Is the Daimler Super Eight still in production - if so - where?
• Are Vauxhall Movano/Renault Masters built in Luton?
• Do Morgan Motor Company still produce the Plus 8?
• Is the Almera built in Sunderland?
• Are these two Noble Automotive Ltd cars current?:

• M15
• M400

• Does Automotive Technik still build vehicles? In Guildford?
• Are CCM still in business in Blackburn?
• East Lancashire Coachbuilders?
• Are ERF still in Middlewich
• Are Seddon Atkinson still in Oldham?
• Are Triumph still in Hinckley?
• Are Wrightbus still making buses in Ballymena?

Also these vehicles were listed as "Cars which used to be made in the UK" - do we want to continue with that list?

Bluebird, Primera, Micra, Primera, Princess, Austin-Healey

-- de Facto (talk). 13:15, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I think the following is current. I'm a bit short of references though:

• Daimler, as part of Jaguar, is no longer in Coventry. [They were in Radford, Coventry until Limo & V12 engine stopped in 1992. Production then went to Browns Lane, Coventry. They're still designed & developed in Whitley, Coventry] LewisR 21:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
• I think the Daimler Super 8 is still in production.
• Don't know about the Movano.
• The Morgan Plus 8 is not mentioned on the Morgan web site so I assume is no longer made.
• The last Almera was made at Sunderland in Nov 2006. [1]
• The Noble M15 is current and so is (I think) the M400. [Aren't Nobles built in South Africa?] LewisR 21:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
• Automotive Technik - they were still around in late 2006 so I think they are still going.
• Clew Motorcycles- no idea.
• East Lancashire Coachbuilders are still operating in Blackburn
• ERF were taken over by MAN who used the Middlewich location to win a British Army order and then promptly shut the factory and moved production to Austria!!!!
• Seddon Atkinson are no more. [2]
• Wrightbus are still in Ballymena and have just won a big school bus order. top item
• Triumph motor cycles are still at Hinckley

The list of "Cars which used to be made in the UK" is so incomplete as to be useless and if complete would run to several thousand entries. I say delete it or refer to the Category:Defunct motor vehicle manufacturers of the United Kingdom.

Hope this helps Malcolma 14:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all that. I've added Daimler, and checked-out the Movano - it doesn't seem to be made in Luton. -- de Facto (talk). 18:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Component Manufacture

Bridgend, Wales is a huge engine plant for Ford, Jaguar and Land Rover. Hams Hall, Birmingham makes 4 cylinder engines for Mini & BMW. Should these be incorporated into the article as they employ around 1500 people each. LewisR 21:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History

Shouldn't the history continue beyond 1955? The contrast between then and now would be interesting. Currently it looks more like a nostalgia trip. (Ajkgordon 16:01, 21 February 2007 (UTC))

It should, of course, go beyond 1955 - and possibly will one day soon. It does though, take time, resources and inclination to write it. -- de Facto (talk). 16:15, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Number of makers in the 1920s

I have long been suspicious of the numbers given for the companies making cars in 1922 and 1929 although it is quoted "The Motor Men" but where the author got it from is not stated. So, I have been through Nick Baldwin's A-Z of Cars of the 1920s and counted them up. In 1922 there were 183 active British companies plus several other "foreign" assembly plants. By 1929 58 were trading, not necessarily all of these had existed in 1922. Several other companies came and went in the meantime. The figures are still not absolutely conclusive as there is doubt if, for example, a hopeful post WWI start up was still actually making cars in 1922 or was bankrupt stock being sold off. Similar cases exist for the late 1920s too. There is also the problem of defining British. Vauxhall, for example started the decade as British and ended it as part of GM (I included Vauxhall by the way, but not Citroen, Chevrolet or Chrysler. An accurate figure is probably impossible but I think mine is closer than the previous one. -- Malcolma (talk) 17:41, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] British cars

I suggest that the useful material in that article be merged into this, as this is the better named article. --Dweller (talk) 22:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

• Merge - this article is the right place for any useful material in it. -- de Facto (talk). 10:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
• Merge --— Typ932^{T | C}  11:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming

I propose renaming this article "Automobile industry in the United Kingdom". This would be consistent with other automobile industry by country articles (eg. Automobile industry in Germany). --Hartz (talk) 09:43, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Toyota in Deeside

It says that on the BBC news website and on cefax that Toyota are planning cutbacks at it's factory in Deeside, North Wales but this article does not mention this plant in it's current motor vehicle production plants section. Does Toyota have a factory in Wales are have the BBC been miss informed? (Northwicher (talk) 17:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC))

was looking for information on this old welsh car producer and had forgotten the name. could its page be added to the list somewhere and a noted added that its welsh?

[edit] Gilbern

was looking for information on this old welsh car producer and had forgotten the name. could its page be added to the list somewhere and a noted added that its welsh? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbern —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.100.244.33 (talk) 03:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)