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[edit] GA Review - This review is transcluded from Talk:Arthur Gould (rugby player)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Overall the article is good, quite detailed given when he played. I did find some issues though: - "Towards the end of his career Gould was at the centre of a row which saw Wales withdraw from international rugby for 12 months." Not sure what that means; is row slang in this case, or was something going on that I'm not picking up on?
- have changed row (as in argument) to controversy. It refers to the Gould Affair. FruitMonkey (talk) 18:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
- Since his other three brothers don't have articles, their careers need citations here.
- Have now cited all three brothers at Newport.FruitMonkey (talk) 18:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
- "Wyatt also represented Great Britain in the 400m hurdles in the 1908 Summer Olympics at White City, London." Cite needed
- Have referenced Wyatt's athletics career.FruitMonkey (talk) 18:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
- Images need WP:ALT text. (Would do myself but it's still new to me)
- Have added ALT text as suggested. Tried to keep to WP:ALT brief. FruitMonkey (talk) 20:33, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- As someone who knows little about rugby, I don't get what you mean by 'first XV' or 'third XV'. Could that be explained?
- Have added the meaning to each of these terms the first time they appeared. Not sure if they should be in brackets, but I dislike using brackets within the main body of the test. FruitMonkey (talk) 14:56, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- "As there were no professional rugby players in Wales, Gould and his brother Bob, travelled Britain working as public works contractors." Cite needed
- ..."in which the club failed to lose a single match, now known as the team's 'invincible' season" Cite needed
- Keep fullback constant in how you spell it out; I see fullback, full-back, and full back several times, pick one.
- "The 1896 Championship began with another Welsh loss to England, but the second game, against Scotland was a historic rugby match despite ending in another Welsh defeat" Cite needed, mainly if you're gonna use the word historic.
- Of curiosity, if there's only one ref in a paragraph, that ref is citing all the info in the paragraph, right?
- I think I have addressed the paragraph in question, adding three more cites. FruitMonkey (talk) 18:10, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- You use both 'a historic' and 'an historic' in the article; synchronize
- "At half time Wales were 7-0 down, with tries from Lohden and Marshall and a conversion from England captain A.E. Stoddart." First names for the two players?
- Names added and one already had his own page. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:04, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- "Despite the poor performance, the crowd was enthusiastic and celebrated the Welsh victory." Cite needed
- "The 1894 Championship began with a poor loss for the defending champions, in a game which saw Welsh in-fighting give the result to their opponents." Cite needed
- "This caused a stir from the other Home Unions as it was seen as an attempt to pay Gould for playing, and as such was professionalism." Cite needed. If this is meant to tie into the Gould affair then nevermind.
- It does indeed relate to the Gould Affair.
- Final two paragraphs of later life need citations.
- The article is a little lax in citations in general, but at the same time there's nowhere that they were sorely needed unless i marked it.
- With those requested I think I have increased the cites' by about twenty so far. Will attempt to continue to improve. FruitMonkey (talk) 18:10, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I'll put this on hold; after all these concerns are addressed I'll do a second run through to see if any further sentences need citation. Wizardman 04:41, 17 September 2009 (UTC) - Everything looks good to go now and I would consider it passing GA status. Just keep working on the refs every so often and it could be an FAC down the road. Wizardman 23:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
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