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Contents 1 Map 2 Contradictory 3 A Way to Improve a Terrible Article!!!! 4 Anglophone 5 Francophone, Lusophone 6 Map

[edit] Map

That map appears to be an amalgalm of original research and/or synthesis. At minimum some source for it, with at least that sources working definition of what it all means would be needed.Bali ultimate (talk) 11:32, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, no there's no map at all, could someone add one?Invmog (talk) 19:55, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Contradictory

"geographically, the densest nodes of the Anglosphere are found in the United States and the United Kingdom, while Anglophone regions of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, and South Africa are powerful and populous outliers. The educated English-speaking populations of the Caribbean, Oceania, Africa and India pertain to the Anglosphere to various degrees.[3] Bennett says the concept is not "racialist" and that "Anglospherism is based on the intellectual understanding of the roots of both successful market economies and constitutional democracies in strong civil society."

The idea that is not "racialist" is negated by the conclusion of Ireland as being more closer to the Anglosphere than non-white nations like Jamaica or Singapore. Those nations were founded and based on British culture, while Ireland was its own, seperate culture that now speaks English and just happens to be white. --173.59.59.164 (talk) 17:32, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] A Way to Improve a Terrible Article!!!!

PLEASE READ and VOTE

I propose a specific and exact approach to changing this article, and this approach has two steps. #1 This article should NOT discuss how good the Anglosphere is or bother with any mention of proponents or opponents. #2 This article should talk about the same countries mentioned in the "English Speaking World" article, and should explain the similarities those countries tend to have, the degree of unity their people tend to have, and the friendly relations their governments tend to have. If you agree with this, please respond underneath my post with an "aye" and your signature. After many ayes show up, just delete all of the article's unencyclopedic rambling, and refer to this vote in your edit summary. (Ejoty (talk) 13:08, 15 September 2009 (UTC))

Yep. I wondered if there was an article on "Anglo-Saxons" in the contemporary sense of the race - and stumbled across this page. It's rubbish as it stands. It's not descriptive but philosophical. Up-its-own-aria gobbledygook.--Farry (talk) 09:04, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Anglophone

The word "anglophone" redirects to this article, but the word "anglophone" is widely used in French language studies to refer to the English speaking world community. I have encountered this word many times as I study French. For example, there is the Quebec Anglophone Heritage Network and here is an article that uses the word On The Teaching Of Francophone Cultures To Anglophone Students. I think this WikiPedia article is very inaccurate in regards to the origin and use of a term for the English speaking world community.

Rrobbins (talk) 03:59, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Francophone, Lusophone

There is no negative commentary in the lusophone, francophone, etc. articles. Why include it here? Why not just keep it simple: anglosphere- nations whose founding language is English and currently whose majority language is english and whose founding, controlling culture is British. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.234.110.66 (talk) 08:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I think the above comments miss the point - this is not the article about the English-speaking world but about a particular philosophical/political perspective on (some of) that world, and as such proponents of the concept of the Anglosphere make claims that can be opposed, and whose opposition deserves at least some notice in the article. --CAVincent (talk) 01:02, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

p.s. It might help to redirect Anglophone to English-speaking world instead of here, if someone who knows how would be so kind.

I've turned it into a disambiguation page for now. People might type Anglophone in looking for either article. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 01:10, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I understand the position: that Anglo-Saxon see themselves as something special compared to the rest of the world and claims ownership of a portion of the world. I am not disputing this concept. I am saying that the same idea is present in the Franco world, Arab world, and many others yet in those articles there is no mention. No one confuses Anglophone with Anglo-sphere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.234.110.66 (talk) 06:29, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Map

I really don't think it can be claimed that a majority speak English as a native language in South Africa, Malta and Hong Kong. It's still official in these countries so they should be light blue. cheers 90.203.165.142 (talk) 14:53, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Good catch IP. The map is someone's original research, clearly not accurate to boot.Bali ultimate (talk) 15:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)