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[edit] Anglican Church?Is "Anglican Church" just another name for Church of England? If not, please don't just create a redirect. Even if it is just another name, it would be useful to explain a little about the phrase "Anglican Church" and its (semantic) relation to "Church of England." --LMS I'm not quite sure what is most appropriate here. The original article was essentially about the history of the Church of England. I created a new entry called 'Anglicanism' discussing people and churches that follow the traditions of the Church of England and also explaining the use of 'Anglican' and 'Episcopalian' to describe such churches. Would it be better to rename that page to 'Anglican'? The Anglican communion includes 60 million members outside the UK and is not the same as the Church of England (with a few million members in England). ----BozMo|talk 10:04, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC) I think it is important that Anglicanism as a set of doctrines and practices has its own entry, as should the Church of England which is the historical origin of these doctrines. However, 'Anglican church' in some contexts is part of the formal name of an institution (the Anglican Church of Australia, the Anglican Church of Canada etc) and in other contexts is used informally to describe, eg the Church of England. This suggests to me that 'Anglican' would be a more useful name, but I'll think about this a little more. --Claudine [edit] Primate"The ultimate head of any Anglican church is the Primate, head of the church at the national level" - this is wrong. The Archbishop of York is Primate of England but not "head of the church at the national level". Even on the assumption that it was only ever intended to refer to clerical positions, that is reserved for the Archbishop of Canterbury as Primate of All England (these are technical terms). PML.
[edit] RecentismLet me get this straight, more than half of what is to be said about the Anglican church is a minor news item from the last few weeks? I think this article massively confuses current events with long-term significance. Daniel Quinlan 01:33, Aug 9, 2003 (UTC)
[edit] ProtestantI have deleted the word Protestant. Please see discussions elsewhere. Although the Roman Catholic church sometimes describes the Church of England as Protestant it does not declare itself to be Protestant on its official website or anywhere. It does contain many Protestants but that is not the same thing. There are official websites declaring it to be Catholic and ones explaining why it is not Protestant (the latter are a bit scarse) but since on religions we abide by the principle that organisations can say what they are, I have deleted the word Protestant. I have not included the word Catholic since I do not want to start repeated reruns of the arguments on the Catholicism page. Historically it is a Catholic Schism from the time of Elizabeth the First. --BozMo|talk 10:02, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC) [edit] ABCI also disagree with "The Archbishop of Canterbury is regarded as a symbolic leadership figure among many Anglican denominations, but does not hold formal authority and cannot be accurately compared to other religious leaders such as the pope." I think the position of the ABC wrt the AC (outside the CoE) is exactly the same as the pope wrt non Roman Catholic churches in communion with Rome? Albeit there is no belief in the infallibility ex cathedra and stuff--BozMo|talk 10:06, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC) [edit] Anglicans and RomansYou said something about efforts for reconciliation with the Roman Catholic Church. I think it would be good if there was either a link to a page directly adressing this or further discussion of the efforts on this page. [edit] Link suggestionsAn automated Wikipedia link suggester has some possible wiki link suggestions for the Anglican_Communion article, and they have been placed on this page for your convenience. [edit] Cleanup tagI changed the cleanup tag (added by User:JW1805) from Template:Cleanup-tone to Template:cleanup-rewrite to make clear that nobody is suggesting that the tone is unfair or unprofessional. The problem, rather, is that the rather florid 1911 Britannica text on which it is based remains entirely undigested. I'm gonna be working on this; feel free to help. Doops | talk 18:35, 22 July 2005 (UTC) Whilst I agree this article needs work, I fele to say it needs a complete re-write is unfair. Are you sayin you feel that the entire article needs a change in writing style? Tompw 19:46, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] biased languageIn the first sentence of the final paragraph of "What holds the communion together?" appears ...for certain liberal steps they have taken unilaterally. The words "liberal" and "unilaterally" are both strongly biased towards a certain (for wont of a better word) conservative viewpoint. In particular, the idea whether the steps taken by the American and Canadian churches could be properly defined as "unilateral" is hotly debated. I would suggest replacing these with more factual and non-biased descriptions.
Under "Recent Controversies", it referred to the controversies being over "biblical authority", which is POV. The debate is not over the authority of scripture, but its interpretation. No church in Communion disagrees that the Bible is the inspired word of God, but not all agree that it condemns homosexuality. Carolynparrishfan 13:30, 30 October 2005 (UTC) [edit] QEII and Church of ScotlandI believe the British monarch is the supreme governor of the Church of England and also an ordinary member of the Church of Scotand. I wonder: does QEII ever attend an Anglican church in Scotland, and is her status as an ordinary member of the Church of Scotland one that may be assumed by any member of the Church of England? Laurel Bush 15:27, 6 February 2006 (UTC).
Cheers. Not quite the story I am getting in Talk:Church of Scotland#Church and monarch. However, I do get the impression that the idea of QEII as an ordinary member of the Church of Scotland is a bit of official fiction, that her real persstatus in that church is quite special and privileged. Laurel Bush 10:39, 7 February 2006 (UTC).
Cheers. Still seems to leave QEII in a somewhat special position, by which the Church of Scotland gets some guarantee/protection of its status as the national church. Also, wondering whether QEII is listed on any particular role. Laurel Bush 11:53, 7 February 2006 (UTC).
A quote from Doric Loon in Talk:Church of Scotland#Queen's status which seems to me to make some sense of the situation: The "ordinary member" bit is a reference to a famous speech by John Knox, and sure, that is slightly propagandistic. The Queen is respected by the Church as the head of the secular establishment which the church acknowledges. That means she IS special. But on an entirely different plain from her importance in Church of England thinking. Laurel Bush 12:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC). My current understanding re QEII and the Church of Scotland is as follows:
Laurel Bush 17:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC). [edit] "recent" anonymous editsThis page dosn't have a lot of editing activity, but two different IPs edited the same paragraph to read the same way. The material added seems highly POV and is not supported by references. I dispute its factual basis. I reverted the material back to the immediately preceeding edit. The most recent such edits are here Ruidh 20:08, 20 April 2006 (UTC) [edit] "Practicing"Efforts have been underway at least since 1966 to effect a reconciliation with the Roman Catholic Church, focusing on theological issues [2] and ways "to further the convergence on authority in the Church. Without agreement in this area we shall not reach the full visible unity to which we are both committed." [3] Since that time, two major developments in the Anglican Communion have rendered such reconciliation virtually impossible, at least in the near future, namely, the ordination of women and the ordination of (and approval of) practicing homosexuals. The term "practicing homosexual" can be construed as very offensive and patronizing to GLBT persons. I'm not quite sure to word this without using it. "Noncelibate" doesn't sound much better and, honestly, "homosexual" in and of itself can be problematic. Any suggestions?Rockhopper10r 20:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WikiProject AnglicanismA new WikiProject focussing on Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion has just been initiated: WikiProject Anglicanism. Our goal is to improve and expand Anglican-reltaed articles. If anyone (Anglican or non-Anglican) is interested, read over the project page and consider signing up. Cheers! [edit] Thirty-Nine Articles binding?This phrase
The Subscription (Thirty-Nine Articles) Act (1571) sounds binding to me, but then, as I said, I am not a historian nor a church lawyer. Was it not binding to both assent to and read aloud the Articles ? What do the better secondary sources say? --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 07:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Weasel words tagThis has been placed over the article as a whole, it would seem, but the editor who has placed it has failed to note here what the perceived difficulties are. In the absence of such, any problems cannot be reviewed or corrected since I don't believe any of us are mind readers. In the absence of such information, I will remove the tag. Fishhead64 18:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Another solution:
Either way, citing a source is essential in a project like Wikipedia. Cheers. Wassupwestcoast 02:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC) [edit] Anglican Church SchismsWikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia not a blog. While controversies exist, Anglican Communion should discuss those churches in communion only. Otherwise, why don't we include the Baptists, Methodists and Quakers in the Anglican Communion. All three are schismatic from the 17th and 18th century Church of England. Cheers. (Stirring the pot where I can.) Wassupwestcoast 02:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] What holds the Communion together?English culture? -Ste|vertigo 21:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] PentecostalsThey have been listed as the third largest "communion" - are they a communion? I thought they were a branch of Protestantism. Fishhead64 02:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Homosexual ordination and realignment of the CommunionThis sub-section and the link Anglican realignment is off-topic. The section repeats much of what is found at Anglican realignment. It is best placed in Anglican realignment. The article is about the Anglican Communion: worldwide. A single-interest U.S.-centric schismatic debate seems out of place. Some of this might appear in Anglicanism but not here. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 17:03, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Before you go about editing willy-nilly on these topics, you really need to educate yourself on them!129.74.165.42 03:57, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Anglicanism COTMThe Anglicanism Collaboration of the Month for April was late in being designated, due to my Lenten and Paschal wikibreak. It is Anglican views of homosexuality, always a favourite topic. Please consider reviewing the article, and helping in its assessment and improvement. Thanks! Fishhead64 02:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC) [edit] Anglican communion and ecumenismCreated and moved text to Anglican communion and ecumenism that was appropriate there. This was under the sub-headings "Ecumenical relations" at Anglican Communion and "Ecumenism" at Anglicanism. Some of it was an exact duplicate. Some of it was oddly contradictory. Best to have all the info at one page to make best use of time and effort. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 12:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC) [edit] Further readingIs it ok if I delete this section and the tag? We have an EL section, as well as the references, to which readers can go if they want more info. I have found that "further reading" sections invite long lists of books, which just looks like spam to me--if they're really that useful people can make footnotes to them. Carl.bunderson (talk) 18:56, 24 January 2008 (UTC) [edit] This right?I thought entities like the old Catholic church were in communion with Canterbury but not members of the "Anglican Communion", which runs against the text. Not confident enough to change it though.--BozMo talk 18:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] History qIn the history section shouldn't we give the date of E1's excommunication which I think was 15 years or so after the Act to which the article says it was responding? (1570 according to elsewhere on WP) Otherwise it gives the impression that the Communion was only remade for a couple of years whereas it was made whole for well over a decade? --BozMo talk 06:44, 25 March 2008 (UTC) [edit] 'Communion' or 'communion'?Communion>>communion is not an obvious application of policy to me. anglican.org goes to great lengths explain an additional relationship is implied by being in the Communion versus being in communion with and as it isn't a no-brainer application of WP policy I suggest we discuss it first/ --BozMo talk 15:01, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
In addition, the Church of England is not a church of the English nation but of the state, they are not the same. Dabbler (talk) 15:03, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Church splits (The Jerusalem Declaration)I have just added this to Timeline_of_Christianity#21st_century but note there is nothing here yet. Have I jumped the gun? I am not very conversant with this, perhaps it is not a formal decision yet? (see [1] rossnixon 02:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Proposed deletion of Parish church templateWarning: there is a [proposed deletion discussion] about to windup on this and other templates of interest to Anglicans/Episcopalians. clariosophic (talk) 20:00, 13 January 2009 (UTC) [edit] introduction needs simplificationThe long, relatively complicated introduction omits a key point: The Anglican Church (there is now no entry there, so any-one trying to find out what the Anglican Church is is perforce at this site on "Anglican Communion" - already a complication) is a Christian religious institution. (Sorry, it does no good to protest that the word "church" implies Christian: just go to Wik's entry on church.) Kdammers (talk) 23:06, 22 April 2009 (UTC) [edit] Unlinking common country-namesMOSLINK says: "Unless they are particularly relevant to the topic of the article, it is generally inappropriate to link plain English words and terms whose meaning can be understood by most readers of the English Wikipedia, including the names of major geographic features and locations, religions, languages, common professions, common units of measurement." And concerning the article on "Supply and demand", MOSLINK says: "Do not link to the "United States", because that is a very large article with no explicit connection to supply and demand." Someone reverted my unlinking of "Australia" and "Canada". I would like a demonstration of why the linking of these huge articles is relevant to the reader's understanding of the topic "Anglican Communion". It seems to me obvious that the style guides say not to link such items. Perhaps there is a more focused link in each case ("Religion in Australia"?). Tony (talk) 10:30, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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