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[edit] Blackness

The demogrphics section is more true representation of the facts of the people EXCEPT that the editor left out a word that makes it CLEARER the missing link origin of Algeria's natives. Yes, I am talking about blacks or native Africans. Calling people Berbers or Arabs makes the blackness get lost in the mix, when it is very much in there. Even books from the 1950's say black in Algeria. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.115.236.102 (talk) 20:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


[edit] Maps

LocationAlgeria.svg AFRICA Location Algeria.png
According with some European countries consensus, many countries discussed about these two maps, Algeria not yet, but it seems that european users think to have the right to change all maps of Africa because it. Obviously the orange one looks more professional and all the continent is separated with the world.--TownDown How's it going? 14:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I must confess that it's difficult to understand your English, but I take it that you try to argue the case that your maps are better? Be that as it may, we follow consensus here on Wikipedia and your way forward should be to try to convince others about the quality of your maps, not to engage in an edit war against the established consensus. And please refrain from dragging in other contributors' nationalities, it is completely irrelevant and doesn't strengthen your argument one bit.JdeJ (talk) 19:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Stop hand nuvola.svg Don't accuse me to convince others about quality of my maps or dragging in other contributors' nationalities. You can be reported. --TownDown How's it going? 21:23, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
So first you use other's ethnicity in your arguments, then you threaten with reporting me when I point that out. As I've said before, it's deplorable that you always resort to intimidation instead of trying to argue your case with factual arguments.JdeJ (talk) 09:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
The proponent has been temporarily blocked for edit warring and incivility, directly arising from the addition of maps of this style to a number of articles. Not only is the map (with a horrid Mercator projection) inconsistent with the locator maps in most country articles but has done so without substantial discussion and limited to no consensus. This map is not agreeable; consequently, I have restored the prior long-standing map. I believe a renewed consensus needs to be demonstrated before the map is changed again. Thoughts? Bosonic dressing (talk) 02:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Language, again

"all Algerian dialects are in fact an arabic-berber mix, none is pure arabic or pure berber"

Can't we get this pseudo information out of here? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_language and ask for example the author of the blog http://lughat.blogspot.com/ 91.152.248.219 (talk) 20:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the above. While it is true that Algerian Arabic has a Berber substratum and it is equally true that the Berber languages have been influence by Arabic, that statement makes it seem as if Berber and Arabic are dialects of the same language or at least very closely related. As that is not the case, the statement is misleading.JdeJ (talk) 20:30, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Berber World

Algeria is considered by Berbers to be a part of the Berber World.

This affirmation is not clear. It came after mentioning Algeria's affiliation to known international entities (to my knowledge there is no international organization named Berber World). The problem lies in "What is the Berber World?". After clicking the wiki-link, it redirected me to Berber People article. A google test gave only 1,420 hits. This misleading part will be removed unless verifiable information are provided. --Bestofmed™msg↵〉 14:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I've removed it. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 20:55, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


[edit] Inconsistency

The information box lists Algeria as a single-party state but the politics segment says it has 40 parties. I take it the latter is true.

[edit] Plagiarism

The information pertaining to the climate of Algeria under the geography section can also be found at this address: http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/atlas/qt/climateAlgeria.htm Climate information belongs in a separate subsection titled "Climate" and it should be original writing. Thoughts? TravisWichtendahl (talk) 07:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)TravisWichtendahl

[edit] Economic role of women

The following paragraph is sourced to a reliable source, but has been removed twice [1] [2] by a new editor for no obvious reason. This material is clearly relevant to the Demographics section, and I am restoring it. The same editor is also blanket reverting other minor edits, e.g. grammar corrections. Please keep an eye on this.

Women make up 70 percent of Algeria's lawyers and 60 percent of its judges. Women dominate medicine. Increasingly, women are contributing more to household income than men. Sixty percent of university students are women, according to university researchers.<ref>{{cite news|last=Slackman |first=Michael |url=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/26/world/africa/26algeria.html |title=A Quiet Revolution in Algeria: Gains by Women - New York Times |doi=Algeria |publisher=Nytimes.com |date=May 26, 2007 |accessdate=2008-11-24}}</ref>

85.94.186.91 (talk) 00:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC) [3] see the links —Preceding unsigned comment added by Satheezmbs (talkcontribs) 10:17, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Relationship to the world

For the ones interested in using an icon for the relationship between Algeria and the world at large I would like to contribute with an image should it be needed. Thanks--Camilo Sanchez (talk) 05:48, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Coat of arms of Planet Earth with the nae of Algeria

[edit] Most Algerians consider themselves Arabs

Why is there no mention of Arabs in the Demographics section.

Who ever wrote it should be ashamed of themselves for being so blatantly biased.

Writing what you wish does not mean it will ever happen.

Shame on you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.205.120 (talk) 01:55, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

It's not a question of bias, but of simple omission. I've added a stat from the child article. --NeilN talk to me 02:01, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for seeming to be harsh in my comments but I have always known that the overwhelming majority of Algerians to be proud of their combined Arab and Berber heritage, yes both Arab and Berber and not Berber alone. Reading the Demographics section there was not one mention of the Arab aspect of Algeria. This to me appears intentional. There is, without a doubt, a massive bias towards Arabs on Wikipedia articles related to ethnicity, history, religion, etc. The Article about Algeria feeds into this phenomenon. Just as an interesting side note, even when listening to Algerian music, there are countless songs where the singer highlights his/her pride in their Arab origin. Just listen to Cheb Khaled's music! Arabs also have a deep fondness for Algeria and consider it as a role model for sacrafice against foreign occupation and colonialism. I know for certian that Arabs everywhere will cheer for their sole representitive in the world cup.

The demographics section was inaccurate because of back and forth POV pushing and exaggerations, just before the protection of the article on an arbitrary version (due to massive vandalism after the world-cup match, which made meaningful edits impossible), so nothing really intentional here: just some unreverted vandalism.
It still seems though that the languages subsection does not reflect the cited sources correctly. Antipastor (talk) 10:21, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I changed it now to what is stated in the reference (in french): there were gross exaggerations of both Arabic and Berber dialects percentages. However, it could be helpful to corroborate the data with more sources. Antipastor (talk) 10:40, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] French rule -- Denoeux

Between 1830 and 1847 50,000 French people emigrated to Algeria,[31] but the conquest was slow because of intense resistance from such people as Emir Abdelkader, Ahmed Bey and Fatma N'Soumer. Indeed, the conquest was not technically complete until the early 1900s when the last Tuareg were conquered by General Guilain P. Denoeux. -- This is wrong.

Guilain Denoeux is a professor at Colby College who teaches Middle eastern politics and not a French general.

Removed. Antipastor (talk) 16:29, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


[edit] Genocide

The French invaded Algiers in 1830. The conquest of Algeria by the French was long and particularly violent, and it resulted in the disappearance of about a third of the Algerian population. France was responsible for the extermination of 1.5 million Algerians. According to Olivier Le Cour Grandmaison, the French pursued a policy of extermination against the Algerians.


1.5 million Algerians died during the Algerian War of Independence. Genocide which was committed by the French.

Algerians argue that the massacres should be named as genocide and France must apologise to the Algerians[1] [2] However the French do not accept the claims. Algeria's President Abdelaziz Bouteflika says that French colonization of his country Algeria was a form of genocide link title. In memoirs, some French officers have described torture of Algerians during the war. Edouard Sablier, for instance, one of the soldiers who took part in the repression, later described the situation: “Everywhere in the towns there were camps surrounded by barbed wire containing hundreds of suspects who had been arrested… Often, when we set out to inspect an isolated hamlet in the mountains, I heard people say, ‘We should punish them by taking away their crops’.” [3] A paper called Ohé Partisans, published by the French Trotskyists, described Sétif as an “Algerian Oradour”. Oradour was a French town where the Nazi occupiers had murdered over 600 people, including children. [4]

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.208.180.240 (talk) 19:28, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] stop Vandalism

Egyptian from Cairo sabotage the content of Algerian pages here , see [[4]]Please...?. ترجمان05 (talk)




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