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Contents 1 Message to Mitsube 2 Poorly Sourced & Consequentially Wildly Inaccurate 3 Archive 4 Sanskrit and Malayalam 5 Visarga is missing 6 आदि शंकर 7 featured article editing 8 Interesting... 9 Dear Hinduism Project members 10 Dates 11 Upanishad Bhasyas 12 Defeating The Jainas 13 Sources cited 14 Adi Shankara's Gotra 15 Proposal to rename this article 16 Debate with Ubhaya Bharati 17 Contribution to Mathematics 18 Shankara born as Brahmin? 19 God? 20 Reinsert 21 No need of Devanagari 21.1 Vote 21.1.1 Include Devanagari 21.1.2 Exclude Devanagari 21.2 Bypassers comment 22 Reference to Shankara in Hindu Meditation section of Meditation

[edit] Message to Mitsube

Hi,

Regarding this sentence: "Adi Shankara is believed to be the founder of the Dashanami monastic order and the Shanmata tradition of worship".

I am changing it to" "Adi Shankara is believed to be the organizer of the Dashanami monastic order and the founder of the Shanmata tradition of worship".

Please see the page Dashanami_Sampradaya. The dasanami / ekadandi tradition and their monastries have existed before the birth of Sri Adi Shankara.

Adi Shankara founded a form of worship by merging various hindu beleifs / factions into the Shanmata tradition and founded four mutts to help organize the methodology of worship as well as provide an organized support base for hinduism. He did not found the dasanami / ekadandi tradition. The dasanamis / ekadandis have existed even in the Pallava and Pandya periods.

Thanks. --Illusion 06:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)Mayasutra —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayasutra (talk • contribs)

Well alright, but that article is copy-pasted from some other site so it should really be deleted. Mitsube (talk) 06:29, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Can you please clarify which article is copy-pasted from an other site? I have provided info from various books to show the existence of the Dasanamis / ekadandis before the birth of Sri Adi Shankara. And any reason why the article should be deleted? --Illusion 07:59, 4 May 2009 (UTC)Mayasutra —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayasutra (talk • contribs)

[edit] Poorly Sourced & Consequentially Wildly Inaccurate

hi, this article is severely poor. im not sure if anyone has realised but the main text to which the information about sankara is credited Sankara-Dig-Vijaya is actually a mythological text written around 1600 AD called a hagiography that bears little or no relevance to the historicity of the life of sankara. as an example, it is seriously academically doubted that sankara founded the mathas - though this is accepted as hindu tradition it should be noted so and not as historical fact as this is far from the truth. indeed, even the dating here is innacurate. i'm a 2nd year indian civilisation student at the university of edinburgh, and am in the middle an essay on sankara so dont have time to edit the article myself, but i can point anyone interested in the direction of a number of academic works.

a hagiography is a mythological/folk tale written around 1000 years after sankaras death to eulogise him in the face of contention from other religions. it is contextually reactive and other than indicating to one the reverence of sankara it has no historical value !

luke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.72.23 (talk) 15:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Archive

• /Archive 1
• /Archive 2

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[edit] Sanskrit and Malayalam

I noticed that the pronunciation of some Malayalam words are given in IAST system. I was wondering if IAST could transliterate Malayalam correctly too? Are all the sounds in Malayalam portray-able in IAST? -- thunderboltz^{a.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK}13:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• This convention should be applied to any language spoken in the Indian subcontinent that is written in an Indic script. The major languages are: Assamese, Bengali, Gujarati, Hindi, Kannada, Konkani (when written in Kannada or Devanagari scripts), Malayalam, Marathi, Nepali, Oriya, Pali, Punjabi (when written in Gurmukhi script), Sanskrit, Sinhala, Tamil, Telugu.

from: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Indic)--^Babub→Talk 15:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, so I guess that means Malayalam can indeed be expressed in IAST. I had asked because there are a few sounds in Dravidian languages that do not exist in North Indian languages. -- thunderboltz^{a.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK}15:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation of the name differ in each language. So which one should be represented using IAST? -Cibu 04:33, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

आदि शंकर is incorrect ; ( ङ ) should be used instead of (.) . Bharatveer 06:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Bharatveer, Could you give the complete word with proper spelling, in devanagari? Thanks, --^Babub→Talk 14:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

• shankara in malayalam should be written as ശങ്കര rather than ശങ് കര activevoid 17:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

• Instead of coding {{unicode|ആദി ശങ്കര}} , ir can be written ആദി ശങ്കര directlyactivevoid 07:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Bharatveer for correcting the devanagiri spelling! ^Babub→Talk 13:19, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Visarga is missing

Please add visarga after the word आदि शंकर in Devanagari. Apnavana 02:45, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] आदि शंकर

My computer has indic enabled, yet I see the hindi/ devnagari spelling wrong in the article page. Can anyone explain why? Its comes ok here. Is unicode causing it to come out wrongly there? -- Lost^(talk) 06:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Both come out okay for me, what do you see on the article? Gizza^{Chat ©} 06:30, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I see it just the way Indic template cautions against. Funnily, other articles with indic are ok. I see even the slokas just above works section wrongly. Can you suggest a remedy? Maybe I need to redo the indic procedure -- Lost^(talk) 06:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Mine kind of screws up weirdly too. I am unable to see the character "ṅ" in the article window, but I can see it fine in the edit pane. I can't say I have any experience with Indic scripts though.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  05:53, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] featured article editing

This article is posted as a featured article. What is not said is that the article as featured is edited. I don't know how the editing is done, but leaving out the birth/death years makes the article very weak. Kdammers 06:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

what about the entire "dates" section? The man lived some time in the 8th or 9th century, that's about all that is known with any certainty. dab (ᛏ) 15:18, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interesting...

Hi,

I just finished a cource in Comparative Religion at Uppsala University in Hinduism and Buddism and now I find that Adi Shankara is Today's featured article :-) Good idea,.. how is the prosess of choosing Today's featured article made?

In my MS Explorer (Swedish version) there is a bit strange signs: Malayalam: ആദി ശങ്കരന്‍,

Check out Eco Theology article if you whant some info about Ecology and Theology and please help to develop that article so that soon itcould be Today's featured article?

--Swedenborg 12:11, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Articles that are featured on wikipedia can make it to the front page through the process listed here. So, in order to get the Eco Theology article on the front page, you first need to get it featured. See What is a featured article? to know the criteria it should meet to be featured.

The "stange signs" you see might be incorrectly displayed Malayalam text. See WP:COMPLEX to correct the display.--thunderboltz^(Deepu) 17:09, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dear Hinduism Project members

Dear Hinduism Project members and others interested in Hindusim There is a controversy on the Hinduism regarding Raja Yoga. Please read the debate on the Hinduism discussion page. Your comments are requested on the Hinduism discussion page to help resolve the controversy. Thank you. HeBhagawan 14:46, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dates

If the modern scholarship is agreed on the 788 – 820 CE date, then shouldn't that be the date specified in the introduction? -Cibu 04:30, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Upanishad Bhasyas

Didn't Adi Shankara comment on Eleven upanishads? Syiem 13:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Defeating The Jainas

The following is an extract from the Dig-Vijaya sub-section of this article: "He then defeated the Jainas at a place called Bahlika". The word "defeated" does not clearly indicate the nature of defeat of the Jainas. Were they defeated militarily or in a debate? TathD 14:46, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, these wins talk about debates. Clarified in the article now. Thanks. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources cited

The article cites three books: by Swami Tapasyananda, by Keay and by Greaves. Most of the references are to the book by Tapasyananda and there is only one to Greave's book and none to Keay's. COuld somebody please explain why it is like that or add some more inline citations? Kkrystian 10:38, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adi Shankara's Gotra

Does anyone have the idea of Adi Shankara's Gotra?BalanceRestored 06:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC) There are local mythologies that his father was a Twoshta. Vedic decent of TWOSHTRI.There is a sloka in sankaradvigvijayam revealing his gothra as Abhuvana twoshta viswakarma.

   Acharyo sankaro nama   Twoshta putra nisamshaya   Viprakula gurorvdweeksha   Viswakarman to brahmana 

Sloka published in Kesari Annual magzine in 1978 by Dr. Sadasiva sharma ,Palakkad, Kerala. Write up The gothras of Viswakarma Rsi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.229.5 (talk) 07:46, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal to rename this article

The birth name of the subject of this article was Shankara and he was later given the title acharya. To distinguish him from his successors, each of whom assumed the name-title Shankaracharya, he was called Adi Shankaracharya. To call him Adi Shankara is incorrect (the first Shankara is Shiva). Therefore I propose that this article be renamed to Shankara. There is no reason for the Shankara disambiguation page to exist, as the name is usually associated with the subject of this article and it only rarely refers to Shiva besides.

Tseno Maximov (talk) 16:55, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Debate with Ubhaya Bharati

I find odd the statement that after forcing Shankara to acquire knowledge of kamashastra Ubhaya Bharati declined to debate with him. The biographies of Shnakara which I've read, both online and in print, state that the debate with Unhaya Bharati was completed.

Tseno Maximov (talk) 16:55, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contribution to Mathematics

"Adi Shankaracharya was not only a saint of profound spiritual insight, but also helped develop scientific concepts. It is believed that Adi Shankara was the first mathematician to use the concept of Number Line (Ref: "Sankara Bhaashyam" (4-4-25) of the "Brihadaaranyaka Upanishad"), the idea of assigning a set of natural numbers to a straight line. As the number of elements in a set of natural numbers is infinite, it requires a symbol of infinity to represent them. A straight line can be considered to be infinitely long. Adi Shankara adopted a straight line as a symbol of infinity. A straight line can be divided to infinite number of parts and each of these parts can be assigned the value of a particular number. This is called number line. Though his concept lacks the perfection of modern number line theory, Sree Sankaran exhibited his intellectual ingenuity in conceiving such a novel idea.^[1]

Yet another example for Sree Sankaran's unbiased and pure scientific pursuit of knowledge could be seen in the second "Slokam" (verse) of Soundarya Lahari (a collection of 100 Slokams in praise of Goddess Durga written by Adi Shankara). In the Slokam Thaneeyaamsam paamsum thava charana pankeruhabhavam, we can see a hint to the theory of inter-convertibility of mass and energy (the famous equation E = MC² put forward by Albert Einstein).^[2]

In another context, Adi Shankara postulated that the diameter of Sun is 1 lakh "Yojanas". Later the modern scientific community calculated the diameter which agreed very closely with (just 3% error) the value provided by Adi Shankara.^[3]"

Removed since the website is not WP:RS. The Namboothiri-trust website may tend to glorify members of it's community. The website does not list it's sources for it's assertions about Shankara's knoweledge of Maths and might be WP:OR.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 06:02, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shankara born as Brahmin?

Is this really true? I know a movie, where he was given Brahmin status by another Brahmin. Please check this one. --Thirusivaperur (talk) 16:02, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

He is almost certainly a Nambudiri. But yea, a source would be helpful. Trips (talk) 06:00, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Local mythologies prevailing around Aluva in KERALA is that Sankara's father was a Viswakarma who married a Namboothiri lady,and thus got thrown out of the community.This frustht may be a reason of these communities non participation of the funeral of sankara's mother. Local viswakarmans are still celibrating sankara jayanthy by there own. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.241.127 (talk) 05:56, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] God?

In the "Historical and cultural effect" section, it is stated that Shankara exhorted his followers to worship God. According to Schopenhauer's On the Will in Nature, in the "Sinology" chapter, Westerners are always trying to find their God in other religions. Steeped from childhood in the concept of a Judeo–Christian anthropomorphic God, Westerners can't understand how a religion can exist without such a being. Are we sure that Shankara's Vedanta refers to a humanoid God who created, supervises, and controls the universe? Is this presentation of God in Vedanta merely a Western European assumption?Lestrade (talk) 17:05, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Lestrade

I just learned that the concept of Ishvara relates to this important issue.Lestrade (talk) 13:19, 1 November 2008 (UTC)Lestrade

[edit] Reinsert

Adi Shankara begins his Gurustotram or Verses to the Guru with the following Sanskrit Sloka, that has become a widely sung Bhajan:

Guru Brahma, Guru Vishnu, Guru Deva Maheshwara. Guru Sakshath Parambrahma, Tasmai Shri Gurave Namaha. (tr: Guru is the creator Brahma, Guru is the preserver Vishnu, Guru is the destroyer Siva. Guru is directly the supreme spirit — I offer my salutations to this Guru.)

I wonder why this has been deleted by somebody. Is this information not true? or is there anybody who dislikes that kind of information?

Austerlitz -- 88.75.193.211 (talk) 11:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

slightly different translation is to be found [1] here

• [2] a source
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I don't know the name of the above quoted Shloka, how to find a source apt for wikipedia?

Austerlitz -- 88.75.79.27 (talk) 11:32, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, the title/name is Guru Stotram.

Austerlitz -- 88.75.79.27 (talk) 12:06, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

The song is to be found here [6], no direct link available.

Austerlitz -- 88.75.79.27 (talk) 12:09, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] No need of Devanagari

In the past, a user has requested mediation on this issue. The dispute was resolved at 16:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC) by Xavexgoem. For more information, see the case page.

Adi Shankara is from Kerala by birth. --91.130.91.84 (talk) 12:51, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

But he wrote in Sanskrit, NOT the Keralite language.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 13:10, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

So what? All wikipedia biography articles are only based on their ethnicity. For instance, A.R Rahman wrote songs in every language, but he is of Tamil ethnicity, so his Tamil name is given in the article only. --91.130.91.84 (talk) 13:32, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

No, you are wrong, not all biography articles are based on their ethnicity. for example Rekha & Rajnikanth. both articles has three scripts in the lead. C21K^talk 15:40, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I would like to correct those articles. --Leadcorrector (talk) 15:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Those scripts are added based on consensus. Please don't simply create problems here. do some constructive work. C21K^talk 16:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Don't want to make trouble for wikipedian sentimentalists, just wanna provide proper information for interested readers. --Leadcorrector (talk) 16:09, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Dear anon, Adi shankara is not unknown for his Malayalam. Most people will identify only the Devanagari script (Sanskrit language), in which Adi shankara wrote, NOT the Malayalam one.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 13:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

It seems, you didn't get the point. In whole wikipedia biography articles, ethnicity only is used for language to be used in the article. --91.130.91.84 (talk) 13:41, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Dear anon "Malayalam formed out of Tamil rather late and began developing a body of literature by the 9th century CE", which is a date much later than 5th-8th centuries - the range of dates for Adi Shankara. He works are in Sanskrit and may have Sanskrit or Tamil as his mother tongue. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 13:50, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

This is WP:OR and reveals your desperation. --Leadcorrector (talk) 13:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

http://www.bharatadesam.com/people/shankaracharya.php ”At The first year of his age he had learnt both Malayali, his mother tongue, and Sanskrit, the language of the Vedas.” --Leadcorrector (talk) 14:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

NOTE TO MEDIATORS: 91.130.91.84 removed the Devanagari and the pronunciation and was reverted by 3 distinct editors including User:C21K (latest), me, User:THF.

The line above may be considered as WP:OR so I take it back. The reference provided by Leadcorrector is not a relaible source, though it acknowledges Sanskrit, whose script is Devanagari. I am not against inclusion of Malayalam, but aganist removal of Sanskrit and pronunciation.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 14:11, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

You are creating really big troubles for wikipedia, if you insist to put in Devanagari script. Please stick to wikipedia standards. --Leadcorrector (talk) 14:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Please do not indulge in personal attacks and justify how i or the editors who put the Devanagari script in the first place "creating really big troubles for wikipedia". Please state appropriate wikipedia standards/ policies. Thanks. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 14:43, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

NOTE: The Sanskrit script was in the article as early as 2006 when the article reached FA status. [7] --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 14:46, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

The editor who is removing the script has done so on several pages, and has given no reason for the removal. It should remain. Cf. also Fyodor Dostoyevsky. THF (talk) 14:52, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I'm removing those scripts, because, for instance Tamanna Bhatia is of Marathi origin and hence should be written in Marathi script. If anyone needs prove/sources for this obvious facts, I'll provide them. There is no need to revert them immediately. I consequently asked you to use the talk page for such things, but you seem to have no interest in it. --Leadcorrector (talk) 15:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

His works are related to Sanskrit and not Malayalam. So, whats the point of removing Devanagari script ?. C21K^talk 15:09, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

The wikipedia page for biographies states, that the article should be conservatively written. In any case of biographies in whole wikipedia, this means, that the ethnicity of the person is used only, since any other script mislead the reader. The reader could think, that this person is of Marathi or any other ethnicity using the Devanagari script which is certainly wrong and misleading. To keep it conservative, the Devanagari script has to be removed. --Leadcorrector (talk) 15:10, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

There is no such wiki-policy which states only ethnicity of the person should be used. C21K^talk 15:41, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

True, but this is the common sense of conservatism. --Leadcorrector (talk) 15:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

This is a stupid debate. Neither Malayalam the language, nor its script, nor the Devanagari script are attested at Shankara's time. His ethnicity is now assumed to Malayali because of his place of birth, but given that the area could be considered to be part of the wider 'Tamil country' of those times, perhaps his name should be written in Tamil instead (that's not a serious suggestion). I vote for keeping Devanagari for clarity. Imc (talk) 16:52, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Infact the language of Kerala in this period is currently under investigation by several scholars. It could be Malayalam, but more probably it was Tamil. Both scripts would be used til the scholars came to a conclusion. Devanagari is not the way to go here.--Leadcorrector (talk) 18:58, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Vote

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[edit] Include Devanagari

• --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 05:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
• Didn't Adi Shankara go all the way to Jyotirmath in the North to form his Matha, or did a script or rules of Grammar stop him? :D --Ekabhishek (talk) 09:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
• - C21K^talk 10:05, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
• - Imc (talk) 10:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
• - Gizza^{Discuss ©} 13:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
• - Priyanath ^talk 14:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
• All languages in India ? :) -- Tinu Cherian - 17:53, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Exclude Devanagari

[edit] Bypassers comment

Old debate to which I can only shake my head. The correct argument is of course that the article should be informative for the users of the encyclopedia, not conservative. If many readers are served by his name being written in Devanagari, then the name should be written in Devanagari. Same reasoning for Tamil and for Malayalam, irrespective of whether it was spoken at that time. ... said: Rursus (mb_ork³) 19:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

You mean, somebody should add a Chinese script as well to serve as many people as possible? Sounds very stupid to me. --91.130.91.93 (talk) 17:52, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Reference to Shankara in Hindu Meditation section of Meditation

I have been trying to place a sentence in the Hindu meditation section of the 'meditation' article that Adi Shankara is generally regarded as a primary exponent and theoretician about Hindu meditation. These have been deleted by editor Mitsube with the comment that Shankara didn't write or practise meditation to any eminent degree within the Hindu tradition. Anyone who has read Shankara's books (not merely googled for references about him on- line, including biographies about him) must challenge this. I suspect it is part of an ideological agenda to claim that Hindu meditation began with the Buddha.Fauncet (talk) 14:10, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

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You are wrong on all counts. Mitsube (talk) 18:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Aadi Sankara was born and brought up as a kid in the banks of river Muvattupuzha near Piravom in Muvattupuzha Taluka,kerala. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.22.239 (talk) 09:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC)