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[edit] Glossary repostingThe glossary and other items not pertinent to the article have been repeatedly reposted here, despite warnings that they do not belong. If it is reposted, it will once again be removed, and I will semi-protect the page to avoid this continuous disruption. This will have the effect of restricting comments here to registered users, and is less desirable than the alternative: that anonymous users practice appropriate restraint. - Nunh-huh 16:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
It referred to asking people for their comments before looking at making additions to the pages about Adamic and also other subjects. Please forgive me. I really can't even begin to understand your argument. Please explain why you have removed discussion of a matter which would appear to clear up several mysteries, on several pages, in a way which seems pretty much self apparent once it is pointed out. Why did you remove comments? And why did you remove what appears to amount to a citation from Wikipedea itself stating that new insights appear in encyclopedeas, including Wikipedea. It seems to be saying that is a positive. I saved that quote and I’ve put it below. Online collaboratives are run by users, some are experts, some are not… Expect surprising insights. A major encyclopedia, like Britannica, can have articles written by highly intelligent experts who might describe astounding insights in their articles. However, even the street-level Wikipedia sometimes contains articles by intelligent experts or eyewitnesses, who avoided the committee censorship, and wrote profound insights within a Wikipedia article. Also, profound information might still exist in prior Wikipedia revisions: check the Talk discussion of an article to see if expert opinions were removed but still exist in prior revisions that can be viewed. Can I make a practical suggestion. As you feel so strongly about ensuring that no discussion can take place upon the subject of additions to the page about Adamic, could you please explain your feelings? Maybe we can overcome your personal issues on the matter and we can then move on to further rational discussion of things which otherwise seem to make little rational sense.—Preceding unsigned comment added by It's Snowball (talk • contribs)
You wrote: “I'll make a suggestion as well: don't misstate the facts… I have no “personal issues”. If anyone re-adds the glossary - which is bizarre screed, not rational discourse - here, it will be removed and that person will be blocked.” You also wrote: “I am encouraging discussion here aimed at improvement of the article.” Please forgive me. Anyone who has just read the notes above will see that they clearly state that people were asked to consider self apparent information on the subject of Adamic, with a view to see what, if anything, should be added to the page about the subject of the Adamic language, and quite possibly a number of other articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by It's Snowball (talk • contribs) You have now gone from saying that information may only be placed on the discussion page about Adamic, provided for the purpose of discussion of possible additions or changes to the article about Adamic, provided it is about possible changes to the article on Adamic (which the information you are attempting to ban clearly is,) to saying that the information may not even be placed in the archive of past discussion and comment, and that if anyone places it here - or anywhere else, such as the discussion page archive - you will ban them completely from commenting in any way on Wikipedea where other people can consider the relevance of the comment to the subject.—Preceding unsigned comment added by It's Snowball (talk • contribs) Forgive me, but how on earth can you possibly hope to react in such a strong way that you will not just ban all consideration of something on a discussion page, but ban anyone who attempts to place it there for consideration, or leave past discussion in the discussion page archive, while attempting to maintain that you do not have any personal feelings about the subject matter?—Preceding unsigned comment added by It's Snowball (talk • contribs) Forgive me, but the use of the word “bizarre” was a bit of a give away. For you to feel that something is bizarre, you must clearly have pretty strong feelings about it. That is a feeling. You are plainly acting on your feelings towards something, and given your insistence upon citations from other sources, it would appear that you object strongly to anything that has not previously been presented.—Preceding unsigned comment added by It's Snowball (talk • contribs) Can I suggest a simple test to see whether you are banning people from considering the subject matter. On my Talk Page you stated that the information may only be placed on a Talk Page. Does that mean that people are allowed to propose something for consideration in an article on their Talk Page and refer people to it on the discussion page, without it being removed and/or without them being banned from any comment on Wikipedea again? Or will you allow people to be notified of information to be discussed, prior to proposals being made to make additions or changes to the article about Adamic?—Preceding unsigned comment added by It's Snowball (talk • contribs) Your behaviour has raised a number of points, not all of which have been raised yet.—Preceding unsigned comment added by It's Snowball (talk • contribs) Snowball, you want to review WP:TALK for the purpose of Wikipedia talkpages. If you don't stick to discussing encyclopedic sources, your contributions may be blanked. You also want to read Wikipedia for an overview of what Wikipedia is. See WP:NOT for what Wikipedia is not. The policy that applies to your stuff is WP:NOR (read it). Bizarre or not, your material is of no interest to Wikipedia unless and until you have published it academically, or at least with a major publisher, eliciting reviews in notable media. Before you do that, there is nothing to discuss here. If you want to have this kind of discussion, kindly hold it at an internet forum of your choice, but not here. dab (𒁳) 10:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC) Thank you for your input. I am now reading the Wikipedea policies. I have raised valid points above. I look forward to the responses upon those points. Also to hearing whether people will be allowed to consider whether additions or changes should be made to the article about Adamic on people's Talk Pages, or if the ban upon consideration of information, no matter how self evident, also extends to disallowing people from letting people know that discussion of the article about Adamic is taking place there instead. Can I also ask if the ban is so total that it extends to other Wikipedea projects.—Preceding unsigned comment added by It's Snowball (talk • contribs)
Forgive me. Whenever I ask you a question, you seem to hide behind a page on Wikipedea. So with that in mind, would you mind beginning with the point about the direct quote from Wikipedea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by It's Snowball (talk • contribs) 16:24, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
You appear to have taken a very large step backwards. For some time now, I have been pointing out that I have not attempted to re-write the article. I am hoping that it will not be necessary to point this out again after this. We are only talking about being able to consider the relevance of the information to the page about Adamic on the talk page provided for that purpose. People cannot consider the relevance for themselves if the observations are removed and banned, along with anyone who dares refer to them anywhere on Wikipedea. Once again, could I ask that the quote from Wikipedea be addressed. Namely, that of allowing insight in Wikipedea. If the rules say it is wrong, then Wikipedea does not have a clear view upon it. The quote about finding insights on Wikipedea is on a front page on Wikipedea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by It's Snowball (talk • contribs) 19:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, but that is plainly nonsense. The talk pages are here to discuss points so to judge their relevance. Not for anyone to insist that if anyone dare attempt to discuss the relevance of any point raised, they will all be banned from Wikipedea. Moreover, you have failed entirely to address the matter of Wikipedea's statement that insights are a positive to be expected on Wikipedea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by It's Snowball (talk • contribs) 19:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for making your position clear. Without wishing to sound disrespectful, the information about Adamic and it's written form Enochian, is being rewritten and will, quite properly, be posted here so that we can all comment on its relevance to the article. I take it from that that if anyone attempts to provide insights about reading the written form without the use of any dictionaries either here or anywhere else, such as the discussion page about Enochian, the information, those responsible for putting it there and any anyone attempting to discuss the relevance will also be banned. For the sake of clarity, the written form is so self evident that as soon as the deliberate distractions, such as making gold and other glossaries - which really don't make any sense - are removed, Enochian can be read instantly. Like the verbal form of Adamic, it can say a multitude of things at the same time in different languages so that it is possible to begin reading Enochian with the alphabet alone. This has been given to well over a thousand people now, and with just one exception, everyone was able to perceive it. Consequently, it will not be possible to say that it is just my idea. I take it that you will not allow people to see this for themselves either. Even though the original government code cracker, 007, John Dee, said that it contains a hidden message for mankind from God. (I'm not religious. I'm just open minded.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by It's Snowball (talk • contribs) 17:19, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for the comments Jonathon. I’ve clearly tried to see whether the information that has become available is credible, and as such, whether it is relevant to the page about Adamic. That’s the kind of consideration that the matter needs and it’s really useful. Genuinely, thank you. Although my primary aim here is to see whether it is relevant to the article, and if so, what would be an appropriate addition either to the article or the discussion page, this kind of comment on the talk page is also useful in seeing if it is possible to shoot the new information down completely. Some of what you have said now is very relevant and I’m strongly inclined to agree with some. The idea of an alphabet seemed at odds with what I have seen, for more than one reason. Firstly, the notion that this is the first form of communication seems to suggest that it is way too early for something like an alphabet. Also, I can’t see more than one of the characters in the Enochian tablets in what we are told by some sources is the alphabet. It appears that people can naturally read things in it in a number of languages, so an individual alphabet seems wrong. The notion of a alphabet seems also seems at odds with the new information, because since there appear to be no individual words in this form off communication, the idea of individual letters wouldn’t seem right. Rather, we are looking at similarities with all sorts of different kinds of symbols and sounds. It would have been fantastic if we could dismiss it on the grounds that the direction is opposite to that of the earliest known writing systems. Unfortunately, characters can also be perceived as individual symbols, so that, for example, one person immediately identified one of the characters as a symbol for God in his culture. It was also perceived to be a womb and a heart. It seems that numbers can also be perceived, so that when the numerical number 7 is read in conjunction with the characters around it, it formed part of a word in a specific message. (An apparent greeting for the reader of the alphabet from Heaven.) Since people are able to perceive similarities with characters from different alphabets, as well as symbols, and because people are able to perceive words and phrases in different languages, I had to point out to people that they will be able to read it in the way that they are used to reading, whether that be from right to left, or top to bottom in one of the tablets, which I have yet to try. Also on that point, it’s been pointed out that there are ancient tablets with an unknown origin in Chinese or Japanese, and that no matter where you begin reading, which changes you make in direction, and no matter how long you carry on reading, they continue to read coherently, poetically, and to educate the reader about spiritual matters. I know the Qu’ran is poetic and I’m under the impression the Torah is too, if they are read in the original language that they were delivered in. So if it is true about these oriental tablets, and I hope to find out, it seems reasonable to suspect they came from the same source. Since Enochian is sometimes written in boxes and is also very poetic, it seems that it would be a mistake to assume that anything that is written in it should be read in a particular way. You said that John Dee thought that the material could be decrypted using two different methods, to provide two different messages. As it can say different things in the same language at the same time, and also say other things in other language at just the same time, what I have seen of it is not at odds with Dee’s theory, but goes considerably beyond even that. The interpretations, which appear to have been given to Kelley in a book at Glastonbury, and which seem to make no sense to most people, seem to have been a deliberate attempt to distract people from something that is far more obvious, once these distractions and any preconceived notions have been removed. It can be interpreted in many ways, and can be read in many ways. (My immediate impression was that as this is supposed to be the first language and way of writing in it, it would not bear much resemblance to any rules that we have in this day and age.) My sincere thanks for the comments, and I look forward to your next observations. You clearly know a great deal about languages. As I understand it, you are also fluent in Hebrew and know a lot about religious tracts. I’d be interested to see how you and the others feel about removing the other comments and editing this down to the relevant points being considered, forgoing the information I originally posted on this discussion page for the time being and including a basic description of the notion being discussed. Would you also consider looking at some of the ways that the Enochian “alphabet” has already been interpreted? That would give you a better idea of the source of the information, and would also allow me to glean good comments for consideration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by It's Snowball (talk • contribs) 15:58, 14 July 2008 (UTC) [edit] Dante/EveThere was one point not adressed in the article and i'm not sure if it was adressed by dante himself. it says how Dante argued that Eve spoke first. it is interesting but not entirely accurate which is why the article should be reveiwed and certain changes made. we read in Gen. 2:19-23 that Adam not only named all the animals before Eve was even created, it also says how Adam named her "woman" because she came from "man". —Preceding unsigned comment added by HAMDMAN (talk • contribs) 18:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Weasel WordsCommon posters on this page may do well to read the Wikipedia's article on Weasel Words. This article is full of unsourced "many people believe ______" type statements, especially the LDS section.--Mrcolj (talk) 16:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC) Categories: B-Class Bible articles | Low-importance Bible articles | B-Class Christianity articles | Low-importance Christianity articles | B-Class Latter Day Saint movement articles | Mid-importance Latter Day Saint movement articles | B-Class Christian theology articles | Low-importance Christian theology articles | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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